Buyers Beware - Jim Sabine (ILL.ICEMAN)

[mqqn]

Hi Folks -

Just FYI to my Corvette friends -

Buyer Beware JIM CADLE III...

I bought wheels from this gentleman based on the info in this original quote in the C5 Z06 forum at Corvetteforum.com....

Originally Posted by ILL.ICEMAN

I HAVE A SET OF CHROME Z06 WHEELS. I HAD THESE CHROMED WHEN I HAD MY FIRST Z AND HAVE NOT HAD THEM ON SINCE 2002.
THEY ARE EXCELLENT .I WOULD SELL THEM FOR 600.00. THEY ARE IN WEST CENTRAL ILL. :smash: :smash:

link where original post can be found...
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...1028406&page=2

ILL.ICEMAN sold me the excellent chrome wheels -

I drove two hours and arrived in Griggsville Illinois at 9:30 pm to pick up the excellent wheels. It was dark, sleeting, and Jim Sabine sent his "secretary" to open his garage to allow me to view the wheels.

Shame on me - they were very dirty, but Jim had assured me they were perfect - excellent was his written description...so I took them after verifying they are OEM GM rims (they are).

However, after I drove them home (arrived home at midnight) and cleaned one of them up the next day - ooooopps - not excellent at all....

Here are pictures of them (not dial-up safe for detail...) I posted for Jim so that he could see if he wanted to make it right.

http://www.iammoon.com/jim/

You can be the judge - just wanted to let others know that if you do decide to buy from this *gentleman* - buyer beware - don't take his word - look very closely at any item as his stance will be "You took them - I didn't force you".

Email text between Mr. Cadle and myself:

From Jim after I told him the wheels were pitted beyond my ability to use them:

ANDY I AM REALLY SORRY THAT THE WHEELS DID NOT MEET THE SPECS YOU HAD FOR THEM.
I DO FEEL THAT I DID NOT SELL YOU SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT PRICED SO THAT YOU WOULD GET A FAIR DEAL.I KNOW YOU FEEL YOU COULD NOT LOOK AT THEM BUT I GUESS THAT I FEEL I DIDN.T TELL YOU ANYTHING ABOUT THE WHEELS THAT WAS NOT TRUE.
I WOULD SUGGEST SINCE THE WHEELS ARE A GOOD PRICE THAT YOU HAVE THEM RE CHROMED AT A PLACE OF YOUR CHOICE. THIS SOULD GIVE YOU A WHEEL THAT THAT IS LIKE NEW AT A GOOD PRICE.
HAVE A GOOD DAY. JIM

my reply:

Hi Jim -

You told me that the wheels were perfect. You told me "They are perfect - never hit a curb or anything."

I could live with the inside of the wheels being so poor, but the outside is why anyone would want chromed wheels.

I think you might not have known that the wheels were in such poor condition, or you would probably have told me.

However, since you are essentially telling me that I am stuck with them, perhaps you really did know how poor they were and now feel that you found your sucker.

I can buy brand new chrome Z06 rims for $600. Your price was fair - for wheels in good shape, not for the VERY POOR condition these wheels are in.

I do not want these wheels and want my money back.

You should honor that request since you sold me wheels that I cannot use.

If you choose to attempt to stick me with these, I will take action to correct this.

Jim's reply to the above:

I AM SORRY YOU FEEL THIS WAY. I TOLD YOU THEY HAD SET IN THE GARAGE FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND WHEN I PUT THEM AWAY THEY WERE IN GOOD SHAPE.
IT IS TOO BAD YOU DON,T REALIZE THAT YOU SHOLD HAVE INSPECTED THEM AND NOT TAKEN THEM IF YOU DID NOT LIKE THEM.
I DID NOT TELL YOU TO COME IN THE DARK .THE GARAGE HAD LIGHTS. SORRY FOR YOUR MISTAKE. THESE ARE USED WHEELS THAT WERE NEW IN 2001.
AGAIN I AM SORRY BUT I FEEL I DID NOT IN ANY WAY MISLEAD YOU. I ALSO FEEL THAT WRE UNDER NO PRESSURE TO TAKE THEM AND PAY US FOR THEM.
REGARDS JIM

I have since sent Jim my final email - asking what skin it is off of his to simply take them back.

In reply, Jim (ILL.ICEMAN) had this to say...

Sent: 3/21/2005 10:19:05 AM
To: jim@kmts.ca
Subject: Re: Re: wheels
I REALLY WONDER WHO THE DUMMY IS HERE.OH WELL'

I guess I am kinda stuck with these - just wanted my corvette friends to know about old JIM CADLE III....and Buyer Beware.

He is currently trying to peddle a CTS - looking to trade for a Z06...I am sure his CTS is in EXCELLENT condition...

best regards -

mqqn

[case2307]

Sorry to say this but, you should have looked at them better. I would have done one thing different than Jim...I would have given you your money back but, it's still your fault for buying wheels that you inspected and bought.

[PerforminNorman]

Sorry man. Sometimes people just plain suck.

[Richard Branca]

if its worth your time research suing him for breach of contract/ neg/ intentional misrepresentation/ fraud in small claims . . .

i am not the authority, but i would venture a guess you may have a reasonable time to inspect . . . the law may not be as rigid as you assume

i will not give you any advice, but it may be worth looking into . . .

n/m

[wvphoto]

sand...black powder coat..

[mqqn]

Originally Posted by case2307

Sorry to say this but, you should have looked at them better. I would have done one thing different than Jim...I would have given you your money back but, it's still your fault for buying wheels that you inspected and bought.

hi case -

I did say shame on me for trusting the guy - but he said they were excellent - they were REALLY dirty.

You are right. I should have made his secretary stand there for an hour at 10:00pm while I cleaned and inspected them -

I thought I was dealing with a Corvette brother here - not some jerk.

My bad.

I appreciate that you would have done the right thing and returned my $$$.

best regards -

mqqn

[bigmike32172]

well let me know if youre still in the market for "real" gm chromed z06 wheels that "are" in perfect shape for $899 shipped to your door. and i will gladly refund your cash if there is one speck of dust or anything on them

[SGT. PYLE]

Sell'em!!!!!!!!!

[Richard Branca]

btw--sabve all your correspondence including his ad

[mqqn]

Originally Posted by wvphoto

sand...black powder coat..

Hi wvphoto -

Not a bad idea - I'll work on small claims before I do anything to them though.

These were for my wifes 99 coupe - she thought the chromies would be a good choice.

thanks for your idea -

best regards -

mqqn

[mqqn]

Originally Posted by bigmike32172

well let me know if youre still in the market for "real" gm chromed z06 wheels that "are" in perfect shape for $899 shipped to your door. and i will gladly refund your cash if there is one speck of dust or anything on them

Hi bigmike -

I saw your post - and it made me wanna cry....

I wish I had seen your post a few weeks ago....

thanks buddy

best regards -

mqqn

[mqqn]

Originally Posted by Richard Branca

btw--sabve all your correspondence including his ad

Thanks Richard -

Will do!

I am seriously considering taking him to small claims - not really for the money per se, but more for the principle.

I think I could get $450 on these for a core trade-in, but that is beside the point.

If Jim has simple said he would refund partial, or take the wheels back - I would not have an issue.

thanks for taking time to post your thoughts -

best regards -

mqqn

[JWSchmidt3]

He'd get them back thru his window if it was me. If you're going to screw someone, you'd think you wouldn't have them come to your house/employment. Sorry bro, I hope you get something you're happy with and move on.

[WayneE]

mqqn, it seems like you know where this guy's garage is located. I would meet him there and convince him to accept the wheels back.

I would start the conversation like this... I recommend you pull out your cell phone and dial 91 ....

[case2307]

I didn't mean to sound like a jerk but, it's buyer beware out here. I've bought stuff and didn't inspect it and I've been burned...I figure it's my own fault for not doing a proper inspection. I've also sold a lot of stuff and I've never had a problem...in fact, I would lose money to make it right but, that's just me. Good luck getting it resolved.