A week or so ago I called Courtesy Chevrolet in San Jose, CA to ask the MSRP on a C6 with the handling package, the salesman gave me the answer and also mentioned that they were charging $20,000 over MSRP for the Z06.
As a public service, I believe we should publish a list of dealers known to be gouging the public by charging in excess of MSRP on the C6Z06. I suggest the following:
1. Dealer name and location.
2. Upcharge being applied to MSRP.
3. Any comments from the dealer on why they are charging a premium.
Not only will we know which dealers to avoid, GM will know that we know. While we live in a free country, perhaps we can, in some small way discourage this behaviour.
Anyone else feel this way?
Jacob
With my experience with automotive dealers over the years, I think it would be much easier to list the dealers not gouging their customers eyes out over these cars.
Your forum dealers plus how many others across the country are selling this car at list??? I'm thinking I can count them on my fingers.
I lived through the Ford GT thing, it was an absolute feeding frenzy. I know guys that had bought many, many cars and trucks over the years from their local dealers who were being told, "I'll cut you a deal because you have been such a good customer and only charge you $50,000 over (sticker) because you know I can get $75,000 over on e-bay now.
Needless to say many many of these people went out and found a "new local dealer". Now the same Ford dealers are choking on these cars and in many cases have lost some of their best clients, guys that were buying 3 or 4 vehicles per year from them.
Pigs with absolutely no forsight or business sense.
I hate to say it, as I am a true "enthusiast," but everyone has to remember that car dealers are not in the game to be "morally upstanding" or to "do the right thing." They're in it 100% to make money - no more no less. So, when a car like this comes along that they believe more people want than there are cars to go around, they'll try to make as much money as they possibly can off people's lack of patience (easy for me to say, I can't afford the new Z anyway ). I remember people paying $5k over MSRP for PT Cruisers when they came out - come on! Many of those same people are now hopelessly upside-down on those cars, anyone paying $20k over on a new Z will be also. As long as there are people willing and able to pay stupid prices, you can't fault dealers for profiting from them. It's not right - it's capitalism baby!
Thats a pretty strong reaction. You cant police people that take advantage of the free market system. If someone else is willing to pay more for the car, then thats that.
I agree, name and shame 'em all. Add Hendrick Chevrolet in Cary, NC as another one that is gonna jack the sticker.
So wait a minute... a whiner's thread to begin with is now going to deteriorate even further to one that offers anticipation and speculation as to which dealer's we *think* are going to charge more than MSRP? And then without provocation "names and shames" them?
The *only* thing that I see a problem here is that dealers can keep this profit all for themselves. GM should require a percentage of the premium above MSRP (if they don't already) - it is their product after all which is allowing the dealers to make that premium. If the dealers were required to give a large chunk of that surplus to GM, I wouldn't object at all -- in fact, I would probably encourage the practice.
As for the consumer... if the consumer is willing to shell out the money, more power to them. If not, go some place else, or shop for a different car. Or - in today's world of instant gratification - perhaps they could continue to save up a little longer to afford what they really want to buy *GASP*.
Come on guys. This isn't a necessary, vital product for one's life and health. We aren't talking about water, food, or shelter. We're talking about a 500 horsepower elite sportscar. You all sound like spoiled brats who just had your baby's rattle taken away.
I have always thought that there should be a "no haggle policy" with all new cars. I mean when you are spending this kind of money, the damn song and dance gets old.
I do understand that a good talker can get a better price than in a fixed price market, but it just makes me hate salesmen.
You're right -sorta. I'm an auto salesman and I enjoy very much my profession. I prefer to take the "long view" and attempt to create lifetime clientele. Those who will return to buy many cars from me and send their friends, too! It is difficult to foster this type of feeling by "gouging" on hot cars! Every brand has them from time to time. For us right now, it is the supercharged Range Rover. We are getting MSRP (have none in stock and they are sold out on an order basis). Dealers on the west coast are getting $10K and beyond over sticker. We don't do this for the reasons I mentioned at the beginning.
Having rambled on, I must also point out that it is typically MANAGEMENT (owner or gen'l mgr) that sets pricing! NOT the salesman. So give us a break! TY!
You're right -sorta. I'm an auto salesman and I enjoy very much my profession. I prefer to take the "long view" and attempt to create lifetime clientele. Those who will return to buy many cars from me and send their friends, too! It is difficult to foster this type of feeling by "gouging" on hot cars!
Having rambled on, I must also point out that it is typically MANAGEMENT (owner or gen'l mgr) that sets pricing! NOT the salesman. So give us a break! TY!
You're right -sorta. I'm an auto salesman and I enjoy very much my profession. I prefer to take the "long view" and attempt to create lifetime clientele. Those who will return to buy many cars from me and send their friends, too! It is difficult to foster this type of feeling by "gouging" on hot cars! Every brand has them from time to time. For us right now, it is the supercharged Range Rover. We are getting MSRP (have none in stock and they are sold out on an order basis). Dealers on the west coast are getting $10K and beyond over sticker. We don't do this for the reasons I mentioned at the beginning.
Having rambled on, I must also point out that it is typically MANAGEMENT (owner or gen'l mgr) that sets pricing! NOT the salesman. So give us a break! TY!
your are totaly right, it is the management that sets the standards for the lot. The salesmen are jsut the point of contact and deliver the policy.
The sales men that are in it long term and work for quality dealerships are much better to work with, but those are getting harder and harder to find.
over all, I think if the price was set, the dealerships would be much more consistant and you would have salesmen that actually liked cars, instead of commission whores. (again a general trend in my area)
You people blame the dealers for mark up? Blame the dumbass customers that pay it. Afterall if there was nobody to buy the car or whatever at that price, the dealer or merchant would have to sell it lower right? Simple business people.
I say more power to the dealers, if they can find the suckers to pay. You and everybody here would do the same exact thing if given the opportunity.
Yeah, don't get me wrong I hate to pay it, so I don't. I am more than happy to wait. In fact the more I'll wait for the new Z the more time it'll give the competition to catch up. I'm really looked forward to the new 997 GT3 (whenever they make it) or maybe a 997TT.
A free market means the dealer can charge what they want for cars they buy from GM, and we can choose not to buy at "market adjustment" dealers and we can truthfully report such dealers to our friends and colleagues. We will see how it all sorts itself out. That is what freedom is all about.
The creeping paternalism and over-regulation in the USA is stifling. Atlas is shrugging.
I would not buy at a "premium over MRSP or even MSRP" but the dealer has the right to sell at what ever price the market will bear. PT Barnum said "there's a sucker born every minute" and if those people want to pay these premium prices then there is nothing we can do about it. I am old enough to remember when Corvettes were purchased by true car people. If you look at the conveniences of the new C6 you realize quickly that this is not the market GM targets but the guy with the deepest pockets who is seeking more "status" than performance. I will continue to be patient and wait for that future opportunity to pick up a low mile, premium condition car for many thousands of dollars less.
You people blame the dealers for mark up? Blame the dumbass customers that pay it. Afterall if there was nobody to buy the car or whatever at that price, the dealer or merchant would have to sell it lower right? Simple business people.
I say more power to the dealers, if they can find the suckers to pay. You and everybody here would do the same exact thing if given the opportunity.
About sums it up.....
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). I remember people paying $5k over MSRP for PT Cruisers when they came out - come on! Many of those same people are now hopelessly upside-down on those cars, anyone paying $20k over on a new Z will be also. As long as there are people willing and able to pay stupid prices, you can't fault dealers for profiting from them. It's not right - it's capitalism baby!
Blame the dumbass customers that pay it. Afterall if there was nobody to buy the car or whatever at that price, the dealer or merchant would have to sell it lower right? Simple business people. 
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