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NYCHASM · 02-24-2002, 12:40 PM

I was just at the LG Motorsports website that Jayzvette turned us on to regarding their awesome headers. While perusing their site I came across their ad for the CAGS defeat. They are asking $60 for it

Their description in their ad goes something like this...'actually fools the computer into thinking it is still connected. Don't be fooled by cheap initations that just disconnect the skip shift and seal the ends with plugs'.

My question: Doesn't the "cheap" $20.00 one that most(all) of us have installed have a 2.2k resistor in it that "fools" the computer into thinking it's still connected? That was my understanding of the defeat. To fool the computer so that no codes are set.

Am I correct or have I missed something here? Does the LG Motorsports defeat really do something more than that cheap imitation one I have?

Thanks,
Charlie

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gmblack3 · 02-24-2002, 02:10 PM

I would rather go with the .79 2.2 ohm resistor that I got at radio shack. Works great with no problems.

http://www.ls1.com/link_cags.html

GRUMPYSVETTE · 02-24-2002, 02:44 PM

Just did the cags mod using the 2.2k resistor and it works perfectly.anybody can do it.

mellowyellow · 02-24-2002, 03:23 PM

I disabled mine today with Radio Shack resistor. Seems to do the job just fine.

NYCHASM · 02-24-2002, 03:48 PM

...on the Radio Shack, do it yourself, home grown, CAGS defeat. I'm happy to hear that they work for you.

Now...can someone answer my original questions?

Thanks again,
Charlie

ZO6Cam · 02-24-2002, 09:40 PM

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Originally posted by NYCHASM
Am I correct or have I missed something here? Does the LG Motorsports defeat really do something more than that cheap imitation one I have?

That sounds like a marketing ploy to me. I had the Hurst $20.00 CAGS defeat on my TA, and I did the Radio Shack resistor to defeat CAGS on my Vette. They both worked just fine for me. I don't see any benefit in paying $60.00 for a CAGS defeat. That just doesn't make any sense to me.

gwelland · 02-24-2002, 09:47 PM

I've had two of the $15 CAGS defeat plugs from MidAmerica and they've worked perfectly. The latest one for my Z06 was slightly different in it's packaging but it works 100%.

I've NEVER had any codes from the ECU for either.

The shift light still illuminates for CAGS with this plug, but I'm sure that's true for the LG Motorsports version too.

I think they must be preying on customers who don't know any better. $60 seems excessive.

corvette dave · 02-24-2002, 09:55 PM

Charlie,
I'll help you out here, brother.
I have the CAGS defeat on my Z from Mid-America. Used the same one on my '99 coupe.
When you buy one, all you get are 2 connectors. One to cover/seal each of the ends that you disconnect from the skip/shift system.
There is no resistor involved. Actually you could just unplug the Cags connector and leave it that way and it would work just the same (defeating the system). The new connectors just plug in to the existing ones to seal them.
The skip/shift light on the dash still comes on when conditions are right. (wrong depending on how you look at it)
I think those using the resistor still get the light also.
Dave

ZO6Cam · 02-24-2002, 10:02 PM

Dave, you're correct, with the Radio Shack resistor I still get the light, but can shift to 2nd gear all day long.

As far as I can tell, there is no difference in how the Radio shack resitor works and the $20.00 Hurst version worked on my former 98 Trans Am.

All any CAGS defeat does is prevent the transmission from receiving the signal from the PCM to lock out all gears except 4th, and they do this without the PCM realizing that the CAGS solenoid is not hooked up.

There's just no way a $60 CAGS defeat from LG is going to be any better than a 79 cent resistor from Radio Shack. They both do the same thing.

proexpert · 02-24-2002, 10:06 PM

Hey Frank, help me out here... electrons don't care where the resistance is coming from.

ZO6Cam · 02-24-2002, 10:08 PM

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Originally posted by proexpert
Hey Frank, help me out here... electrons don't care where the resistance is coming from.

Bingo!

SMFCPACFP · 02-24-2002, 11:46 PM

To answer your question Charlie, you are correct. The resistor makes the computer things the CAGS is still installed and functioning. you might get the visual cues that the skip shift is still there periodically.

To the guy who paid $.79 at Radio Shack, you got ripped a little on the price. Should be about $.15 at a wholesale electronics shop. To the guy who pays $60, I have a bridge in NYC I want to sell you.

Z06Y Lady · 02-24-2002, 11:56 PM

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Originally posted by corvette dave
Charlie,
I'll help you out here, brother.
I have the CAGS defeat on my Z from Mid-America. Used the same one on my '99 coupe.
When you buy one, all you get are 2 connectors. One to cover/seal each of the ends that you disconnect from the skip/shift system.
There is no resistor involved. Actually you could just unplug the Cags connector and leave it that way and it would work just the same (defeating the system). The new connectors just plug in to the existing ones to seal them.
The skip/shift light on the dash still comes on when conditions are right. (wrong depending on how you look at it)
I think those using the resistor still get the light also.
Dave

The Mid-America kit is not quite so simple. There is a plug at the transmission, which I believe is just a mud, water shield. The other end has a mating plug, several electrical lines and and end piece which contains the resistor. So to me, it isn't just two plugs. Without the resistor, you will get computer diagnostic failure indicators on the Corvette. A really sophisticated CAGS unt, would not only block the 1-4 shift, but it would block the 1-4 light on the dash as well. Z06Y Lady

NYCHASM · 02-25-2002, 12:18 AM

...it seems like the Lady is right. My CAGS defeat came from RG at Exit 28. It too has 2 wires coming from one side that go into a rectangular piece that I would bet money is a resistor. It's my understanding that this resistor is what causes the computer NOT to set a failure code because the computer "sees" the CAGS as still connected.

My original query was to see if the $60.00 defeat had some other "magical" powers that I wasn't aware of (like blocking the 1-4 shift light)

I wonder Corvette Dave, if your CAGS defeat does not have these wires and resistor, has it set a failyre code that you aren't aware of?

Charlie

corvette dave · 02-25-2002, 09:34 PM

Charlie and others,
It looks like I may be wrong here. (OK probably wrong)
I installed mine (cags) 7 months ago and I don't remember any wires running to a resistor. I am not getting any codes so the resistor is most likely there.
Just for fun, I will check it tomorrow.
What I may be thinking of is that I disconnected the CAGS connector on my '94 coupe several years ago and left it disconnected. It worked the same as the $20 defeat. Still got the light though. No codes either.
Sorry for any confusion.
Dave