Watch your azz out there guys. A work friend was driving his uncles vett convertable around this weekend, with his brother-in-law a passenger, just to keep up the battery and motor. He just pulled out and was cruising when 4 guys walked out and attempted to block a 3 lane road (3 lanes each direction)and hijack his vert. He didn't know what the heck was up it happened so fast...he slowed to a crawl and just squeezed between them and the drivers side dude hit him in the jaw. Then when he kept going, the guy pulls a 45 and fires 4 shots at them. 3 shots missed and the 4th went in his brother-in-laws arm by the elbow and exited his rist. The police got a finger print from the brass so maybe they will find them soon. No word on any loss of use to his arm yet...I'm sure it is F.....up.
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WTF!!! Were you cruising around in the damn ghetto? This just don't happen in any given area. Usually the "Wrong part of town".....DAYMN!!!! Luckily you two got away with minimul injuries. These guys weren't playing! Imagine what COULD have happened if you stopped! I would strongly suggest keep that car under lock and key or a long time or sell it. I am sur esomeone will be on the look out fo rthat ride and hard to tell what may happen next.
Jeeees...... next time, floor it and run them bastards over......
I hope this don't sound too harsh, but this don't sound like a jack move from typical Floridian people I imagine. The older, slower folk..... More less, the younger punk-ass ghetto thug wit his pants round hiz azz who gotz to take wut ain't hiz......and den wen shyt don't go his way, he gotz to pull out a gat and bust a cap in yo azz..... Next time, rid the world of this trash and run his ass over. At least THEN it will justify the swollen jaw and bullet hole. Stay low for a while.....
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We are land surveyors...the driver is our hardest worker and a bad-azz ex-marine. You just never know..if he stopped 2 of them would have left with the vette. What about the other 2 ???..they couldn't just walk away. They probably were planning on shooting them anyway. Can you think of any reason they wouldn't ?? This was on 103rd street in Jacksonville Fl...not the ghetto.
When I get back from the Fest I will get the recovery info and update.
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We are land surveyors...the driver is our hardest worker and a bad-azz ex-marine. You just never know..if he stopped 2 of them would have left with the vette. What about the other 2 ???..they couldn't just walk away. They probably were planning on shooting them anyway. Can you think of any reason they wouldn't ?? This was on 103rd street in Jacksonville Fl...not the ghetto.
When I get back from the Fest I will get the recovery info and update.
Pitt
PITMAN. I am not familiar with all of Florida. Just Tampa, Inverness, Orlando, etc. But the way I perceived it, sounded like the bad parts of town. I am just glad your hard worker was instinctive enough when he was getting ambushed. Image that. Ex Marine. Come back from the fight, and you STILL got to watch your ass on the streets from getting ambushed from your own kind. Or worse.... killed. When will this crap end? And, I hate to say this, but I grew up on Long Island, and this crap never went down by a group of "white" kids. Sorry - But things aren't too different since then either. I never drove through a "bad part of town" and seen a bunch of white trash on the street corners slinging dope, shooting each other in record numbers, or jumping in other poor white trash to be gang bangers. As well, what else do you see on TV? Hmmmmm. Same thing. I wonder why. So, were the culprits described as caucasian males in their mid to late twenties wearing wife beaters with a spaghetti stain driving a raggedy pick-up truck? I just HATE to sound racist, but this is just how it was on Long Island too. I never ONCE drove through a bad "white" area, but god forbid you get caught up in Wyandanch, Copaigue, Hempstead, some parts of Amityville, etc. Its funny how you see the transformation from "nice area" to "roll up your windows and lock your doors" because the store fronts have bars, written in es spanol, or it just plain looks UNSAFE. When I was about 12, me and my best friend were riding bikes and were in Copaigue where a kid, of about 8 years old, threw a BRICK at us while riding passed his (of course, beat down ghetto-ass purple house with a broken down car on bricks to the side of his 14 inch high grassy yard) and guess what he yelled after the brick struck my buddy's rear tire? "GO HOME WHITE BOY".....Amazing how YOUNG they learn. And what is even MORE disturbing, is his MOTHER was sitting there on the stoop, of course, with her hair in curlers. (Can't recall if she was drinking a 40 oz). I won't even get into the time when me and my two buddies got "JUMPED" at Belmont Lake and had our bikes stolen...or the time where my RADIO was stolen from me while I was walking with my cousin in Baldwin.... Bottom line is, I call it like I see it.
So, I don't blame the race, I blame society. Our justice system SUCKS. The Soldiers in Iraq need to be brought home and sweep the dirty streets of our own nation. Police up THIS crap in our own back yard....You don't see this type of shyt in GERMANY!!! The Polizei over there will beat them fkers SENSELESS and instill the SCARED STRAIGHT mentality for EVERONE. EQUALLY!
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So, I don't blame the race, I blame society. Our justice system SUCKS.
Our justice system, backed by the Constitution, although far from perfect, is arguably the best on the planet.
For example, and fortunately for all of us, people can't be arrested based on their race, color, sex, creed, sexual orientation, economic level, manner of dress, hair style, speaking a language other than English and so on and so forth. Furthermore, people can't be arrested or in some way detained without probable cause and due process (matters of national security notwithstanding).
I for one, would not want to live in, nor would I tolerate, a society where people are arrested or detained based soley on what one believes they might do. Recall Germany prior to and during WWII as an example of such a society. There have been and still are others.
Hopelessness and despair are the primary reasons for crime. I believe those two factors are also one of the main causes of illicit drug use, which in turn leads to an increase in the crime rate. Religious beliefs aside for the moment, they are also the primary cause for crime the world over, and always have been. In its very essence it comes down to the 'haves' and the 'have nots'.
In places like Iraq for example, religious beliefs, when combined with hopelessness and despair form an even more volatile society. When you throw in the fact the Shia were violently oppressed for thirty years by Saddam's mainly Sunni Bathist party it's no wonder they loathe one another to the brink of all out civil war. Once again, it comes down to hopelessness and despair, although with religious beliefs as a catalyst as well.
Anyone in this country who wants to go to school and get an education can do so. Unfortunately, not all choose to do so or fail to remain in school for a number of reasons. And if they don't, whose fault is it? Again, it often comes back to feelings of hopelessness and despair. The belief that no matter what one does they will not have the same opportunity as someone else. Unfortunately, in some cases there may be no easily recognizable future. When jobs disappear, many don't see a future where they can make a decent living. In that sense, it's a vicious circle.
Our justice system, backed by the Constitution, although far from perfect, is arguably the best on the planet.
For example, and fortunately for all of us, people can't be arrested based on their race, color, sex, creed, sexual orientation, economic level, manner of dress, hair style, speaking a language other than English and so on and so forth. Furthermore, people can't be arrested or in some way detained without probable cause and due process (matters of national security notwithstanding).
I for one, would not want to live in, nor would I tolerate, a society where people are arrested or detained based soley on what one believes they might do. Recall Germany prior to and during WWII as an example of such a society. There have been and still are others.
Hopelessness and despair are the primary reasons for crime. I believe those two factors are also one of the main causes of illicit drug use, which in turn leads to an increase in the crime rate. Religious beliefs aside for the moment, they are also the primary cause for crime the world over, and always have been. In its very essence it comes down to the 'haves' and the 'have nots'.
In places like Iraq for example, religious beliefs, when combined with hopelessness and despair form an even more volatile society. When you throw in the fact the Shia were violently oppressed for thirty years by Saddam's mainly Sunni Bathist party it's no wonder they loathe one another to the brink of all out civil war. Once again, it comes down to hopelessness and despair, although with religious beliefs as a catalyst as well.
Anyone in this country who wants to go to school and get an education can do so. Unfortunately, not all choose to do so or fail to remain in school for a number of reasons. And if they don't, whose fault is it? Again, it often comes back to feelings of hopelessness and despair. The belief that no matter what one does they will not have the same opportunity as someone else. Unfortunately, in some cases there may be no easily recognizable future. When jobs disappear, many don't see a future where they can make a decent living. In that sense, it's a vicious circle.
Well said buddy....Luckily for me, I got to see a new Germany.....
Thanks for your well thought out contribution. Helps me see things differently as well. Your two keys words of hopelessness and despair are two very descriptive words. Sometimes, I felt those words were a part of my life until I decided to join the Army..... I wonder, if I hadn't....would I be justified to jack another man's ride by gunpoint? That would be a great story in court...."I am hopless and feel despair, so...when he tried to take off with the car I wanted, I shot him. He wouldn't have got shot, if he didn't drive off. We tried to be nice about it, but.....he was rude and drove right passed us." I hear what you are saying, and understand your input, but don't agree with the logic behind it that, hopelessness and/or despair justify one's action of hate or crime..... I just don't see it. I can understand how it would make someone desperate when they feel there are absolutely no other alternatives. Like, if I were homeless and hungry...I may steal food. But I don't think I could be capable to kill someone for food. But I do see your point, to a point..... But take for example, terrorists. Their Bible, the Quran....does it tell them to blow themselves up and kill innocent people? Their OWN people? I think that is just uneducated people listening to an idiot who has the ability to convince them that their own life is not worth much more than blowing themself up for a religious cause. Yet, one should ask the leader..."How come YOU haven't blow YOURSELF up for the cause?" And the answer would simply be "Cause you stupid enough to do it, I ain't"
I hear what you are saying, and understand your input, but don't agree with the logic behind it that, hopelessness and/or despair justify one's action of hate or crime..... I just don't see it.
They certainly don't justify it. They are simply two of the many possible motivators. There are of course others, but as you know desperate people often do desperate things. There are of course people who, for one reason or another, are just plain bad. Then again, there are psychologists, sociologists, etc, who will argue otherwise and claim there is no such thing.
We could debate the causes of crime and violence until we're blue. The fact is, no one knows all of the reasons people do what they do, but the two I mentioned are at the top.
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Their Bible, the Quran....does it tell them to blow themselves up and kill innocent people? Their OWN people?
Not in the manner of speaking you're referring to, no. However, like the Bible, it does contain passages and oblique references to violence that can and have been misinterpreted and abused, just as some passages in the Bible have. Don't forget the reason for the Crusades: the conversion of others, mainly Muslims, to Christianity and where resistance to same was often delt with harshly (to say the least).
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I think that is just uneducated people listening to an idiot who has the ability to convince them that their own life is not worth much more than blowing themself up for a religious cause.
Many are uneducated and it is because of that and other factors they are perhaps more prone to the whims and beckoning of others. The proper "education", in combination with hopelessness and despair, often results in the makings of a suicide bomber or a warrior that is unfraid of death and is willing to sacrifice themselves for what they believe to be the greater good. Only the manner and circumstances with which such acts are carried out are what vary. This has been the case throughout history and continues today.
One can spend a lifetime studying human psychology, sociology, religions, criminology and other disciplines and never come to a sort of 'unified theory' as to exactly why people and act the way they do and do the things they do. And I for one have certainly not tried to here.
These are all topics we could discuss for hours and for which there are many references.
Hope your work friend and his brother-in-law are healing. That is quite a story a scary story.
It is very rare that there is a legit car jacking even in the worst areas. Pretty scary to think someone would shoot you over a Z or vette.
GR8 white- I am with you with what you have said. I feel it all comes back to parenting and when the kids don't get it they get it where they can (seeing the dope dealers / gangsters / watching the music video's etc...) Like No Doubt said we could talk about this all day long.
Idaho is supposed to be another nice place to get away from the crime. A lot of retired california law enforcement go there after they retire.
Damn! I travel 103rd Street almost every day. I certainly wouldn't call it a bad area. Too close to home for comfort. You never know where you are safe anymore. One reason I have a CWP and there is always firepower in anything I drive...Better tried by 12 than carried by 6.
That sounds like something that might happen on 8 mile road in Detroit. 
Indeed, and that's where my wife wants to move to and she isn't even a redneck. 
Hope your work friend and his brother-in-law are healing. That is quite a story a scary story. 
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