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Old 05-04-2003, 12:27 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Active handling & traction control. How, what?

In light of another post, I'd like to know more about each. Since I don't have my Vette yet, what is active handling? How about the traction control? And Comp mode?
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Old 05-04-2003, 12:46 AM   #2 (permalink)
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The car defaults to AH/TC ON. Active handling in a very basic sense is a yaw control, if the car starts to get out of line it starts tugging on brakes on one side to keep the car from spinning out.
Traction control kills the fuel supply if the tires lose traction. Both together do a terrific job of helping the car stay in control. They will not override the laws of physics though, too fast and the car may still lose control.

You can turn both OFF with one push of the button. Now your like most other cars on the road, but with 400hp and 3000 pounds you will have your hands full.

Hold the button down for about five seconds and your in comp mode, that is TC off, but AH still ON.

That's a real basic description. I'm sure others here can do a better job.

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Active Handling can actually brake any wheel independently whereas Traction Control only brakes the rear wheels in order to help prevent/stop tire spin. Competitive Mode disables TC but leaves AH on.

Active Handling uses the yaw rate sensor in addition to a steering wheel position sensor to determine what it thinks the drivers intention is. But, like Joe said, it is not flawless and if you get far enough out of whack it can't correct the condition.

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Besides yaw sensors there are also wheel speed sensors in each hub.

The computer looks at yaw, pitch, traction, wheel speed(s) and differentials about 6 times a second.

There is also a steering angle sensor along with speed, gearing, throttle position. brake pressure and the differentials between wheel speed and individual brake line pressure and rotor speed.

The is also input from the ECM and ABS

The computer tries to analyse what you are trying to do with the car and tries to help you do it.

I have found that most leave all the parameters "ON" for the street.

Most learning drivers will start in the Comp. mode on the track,strip or AutoX course.

Experienced racers will turn AH & TC OFF for the track.

Most important is ALWAYS have the AH and TC ON in the rain for the Street AND the track
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Thanks guys, that explains it really well. What is the reasoning in Comp mode to have the the TC turned off?
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If you know how to drive competitively you can often get faster times by driving the car beyond / outside the preprogramed algorithms which activate these safety programs to maintain car control. You know "driving" it !!! lol

In the wet and in public traffic keep everything on...in competition you can let it hang out a bit

My times are always faster with everything turned off...
Your mileage may vary....
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Thanks guys, that explains it really well. What is the reasoning in Comp mode to have the the TC turned off?
well basically you can let the car loose more. When the traction control comes on, your losing power and speed sinces its braking and cutting back on the throttle. Now w/ the traction off and the AH on you can accelerate better and let the back end go loose but still allow the car to help you out if you need it.
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Re: Active handling & traction control. How, what?

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Since I don't have my Vette yet, what is active handling? How about the traction control? And Comp mode?
Active handling: Computes an "ideal" trajectory for the car based on a real-time computer model. Inputs include speed, steering wheel angle, yaw rate, lateral acceleration, thottle position, wheel speed, brake input. Calculates what the car should be doing. Compares that to what the sensors *say* it's doing. The computer knows the car is past it's limit when the projection differs from the actual. When this happens, AH kicks in and manages both the throttle and individual wheel brakes to help you control the car.

I think that a similar system installed in Porsche's can actually *increase* throttle if necessary. I've never been sure if I really liked that idea. Luckily, Corvette's only decrease throttle.

How does it work? Think of a motorized canoe. No rudder. There's an oarsman in front and one in back. They steer by putting their paddles in the water, individually or together. Wanna swing the nose to the right? Have the rear oarsman drop his paddle in the water on the right side. Wanna swing the rear to the left? Have the front oarsman drop his paddle in the water on the right (I think I got that 'right').

When your car's in a slide or drift, it's a lot like that canoe. Minor applications of "paddle" can be quite effective in helping to steer the car. The cool thing is, the computer does what a driver could never do, manage all 4 brakes independently.

A few really good drivers probalby don't benefit from AH, and maybe even get slowed down a bit. But for the vast majority of Corvette drivers, it's a tremendous driver "augmentation".

Traction Control: Compares the speed of the front and rear wheels. The computer knows a rear tire is spinning whenever either rear wheel speed exceeds the front wheel speed. The computer may apply the rear brakes, or reduce the throttle, or both, until the spinning wheel returns to the right speed.

Drive the car on a snowy hill with the summer tires. The TC will manage the throttle all the way down to 0 and stall the engine.

You left off Antilock Brakes. You probably already know what this is. But on the Corvette, the ABS is integrated with the TC and AH. In fact, it's the ABS that makes it possible to even have this kind of TC and AH. It's the ABS, and it's ability to apply or reduce brake force to any wheel in any amount, that makes it all possible.
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See, I told you someone could explain it more better than me

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More Better... it's and industry term

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Is it broke, or just outside the limits????

Everything ON. If I launch it at 2500 the car will spin the tires furiously. I don't detect any computer dialing things back..

On the counter point, the car will basically dial everything back when I shift from 2 to 3rd at 6500 WOT bogging down the engine until I let off the gas a bit....
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Damn Rocketsled! Great explanation.

I thought I knew what TC/AH did then I read your post!
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