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Old 11-28-2003, 10:43 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Neutral Noise???

Does anyone else here a slight rattle when in neutral with your foot off the clutch? If I push the clutch in it will stop, but when the clutch is all the way out and I am idling in neutral I will get an intermittent rattle kind of noise that sounds like it is right where the clutch would be under the floor pan.

I asked a guy that is supposed to be some super GM mechanic locally and he said it was just neutral noise and was normal. Well my only other recent GM vehicle with a stick shift was my 02 vert and it didnt do it. He also suggested changing out the tranny fluid but I don't see how that would help since the tranny is in the rear and the noise is in the front. (what a surprise, another GM dealer tech talking out his backside )
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Old 11-28-2003, 11:17 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Sounds like a throw out bearing to me.

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Old 11-28-2003, 11:26 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Sounds like a throw out bearing to me.

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That is what I was beginning to think. Would that be a warranty item?
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Old 11-29-2003, 08:45 AM   #4 (permalink)
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ABSOLUTELY!

Why would you even think it wouldn't be covered under warranty?

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Old 11-29-2003, 08:58 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Shaggy Boy!!......mine does it too if I don't make a complete left-right shifter movement when in neutral....if I do that, no noise
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Old 11-29-2003, 09:31 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Please elaborate on what a "complete left-right shifter movement when in neutral" is. Thanks.

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Old 11-29-2003, 09:38 AM   #7 (permalink)
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All C5s do it to a varying degree.

When you push in the clutch, you disengage the torque tube (drive shaft) and stop the gearbox from turning. Less moving parts equals lower levels of acoustics. Especially true in C5 gearboxes, which tend to "rattle" due to GM's choices for gear lube and gear mesh.

There's little to no load on a Throwout Bearing when the clutch is released vs. when it's depressed. At least in my experience, bad Throwout Bearings generally make more noise when you depress the clutch (since that loads the bearing), not when the clutch is released.
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Old 11-29-2003, 09:42 AM   #8 (permalink)
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ABSOLUTELY!

Why would you even think it wouldn't be covered under warranty?

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Because from personal experience most clutch issues aren't covered.

As for the left to right I am assuming he means that when its in neutral he moves the shifter all the way to the left as in between 1-2 and then to then to the right between 5-6 (R)


But either way mine does it no matter what I do.
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Old 11-29-2003, 09:49 AM   #9 (permalink)
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If I turn off my radio and listen real close I can hear a slight rattle at idle in neutral.
It is after all a chevy, exotic but still a chevy.
Turn the radio up a little and the noises go away.
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Old 11-29-2003, 10:13 AM   #10 (permalink)
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I am getting the same noise. I thought bad throw out bearings make noise when there is no load on them since at that point they are able to rattle around. When you put a load on it by pushing in the clutch pedal and pushing the throw out bearing against the clutch springs it can't rattle with the slop being taken out by the load.

Doesn't sound like the gearbox since that is in the rear. Could be the "normal" torque tube noise that they mention on the video tape...
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All C5s do it to a varying degree.

There's little to no load on a Throwout Bearing when the clutch is released vs. when it's depressed. At least in my experience, bad Throwout Bearings generally make more noise when you depress the clutch (since that loads the bearing), not when the clutch is released.
RocketSled,

I'm not disagreeing with your view just offering another.

When a clutch release bearing wears, the bearings tend to get sloppy in the race. When you load the bearing you tend to "tighten" things up and the bearing makes LESS noise, no When the clutch is released the bearings tend to "rattle" around in the race as there is no load on them.

Shag Finger,

I'm at a loss to understand why "most clutch issues aren't covered". As long as the dealer can't prove abuse, how could they not cover repairs?

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If you never start the car and/or drive it, you won't hear the noise either.

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All C5s do it to a varying degree.

When you push in the clutch, you disengage the torque tube (drive shaft) and stop the gearbox from turning. Less moving parts equals lower levels of acoustics. Especially true in C5 gearboxes, which tend to "rattle" due to GM's choices for gear lube and gear mesh.

There's little to no load on a Throwout Bearing when the clutch is released vs. when it's depressed. At least in my experience, bad Throwout Bearings generally make more noise when you depress the clutch (since that loads the bearing), not when the clutch is released.

" . . . Sled" is right. They all do it to some degree.

Don't sweat it.

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Shag Finger,

I'm at a loss to understand why "most clutch issues aren't covered". As long as the dealer can't prove abuse, how could they not cover repairs?


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If you also take a look at your warranty info it says that friction items such as brake pads and clutches are not covered.

Been there done that with other cars.
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If you also take a look at your warranty info it says that friction items such as brake pads and clutches are not covered.

Been there done that with other cars.
I understand brake pads and the clutch disk, but you say the release bearing is included as a non-warranty item? I would argue that ALL bearings are "friction items".

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I understand brake pads and the clutch disk, but you say the release bearing is included as a non-warranty item? I would argue that ALL bearings are "friction items".

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I don't wish to get into a battle of symantics. I am just stating that from personal experience any thing that is related to a clutch hasn't been covered. Nothing more, nothing less.
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