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Old 05-13-2004, 09:56 AM   #1 (permalink)
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2004 Predator programmers are now available!



The 2004 Predator programmers have just been released so we should be seeing a shipment here the beginning of next week.

The Predator for 2004 All V8 Vehicles (part no. U7193) is a state-of-the art high performance tuning flash programmer, which advances the timing, optimizes the air/fuel ratio and remaps the transmission shift points (in automatic transmissions). Unlike other 'tuners', DiabloSport’s programming is performed in very small increments throughout the entire RPM range, for a smoother, wider and a more predictable power delivery.


Average power gains are in 10-20 HP range in the cars and 20-30 HP in the truck line. Less for the 87 octane tunes. The Predators additional power makes itself noticeable immediately with an increase in power that starts in the low RPMs and builds into a frenzy at the high RPMs.

A Predator equipped vehicle will notice significant improvements in drivability. The additional power and improved shift patterns created by the Predator tune will yield quicker acceleration, firmer shifts, better mileage and improved towing characteristics, whether it is in town or out on the highway towing an 8,000 lbs trailer.

The power increase in the lower RPMs will yield a better throttle response; help maintain speeds on inclines and towing. The wider power band that the Predator creates will be particularly noticeable in city driving, where speeds constantly change. The mid-to-upper power increase is extremely useful on the highway when passing slower vehicles and to quickly maneuver out of emergency situations.

The increase in MPG is a byproduct of maximized engine efficiency, the improved timing curve and air/fuel ratio creates a more complete combustion, i.e. the engine extracts more power from each molecule of gasoline.

Predator tunes re-map the:
Fuel Curves
Timing Curves
Torque Management
Extend Speed Limiters
Extend Rev Limiters
Disable CAGS (Skip Shift)
Part and Full Throttle Shift Points
Shift Timing
Shift Presure

Orders can be placed online or by calling 1-877-4-TBYRNE. Our May sale of the month is 10% off all Predator and Wester's programming so that will apply to this unit.

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Old 05-13-2004, 11:44 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Buyer beware on these things, they're not necessarily all they're cracked up to be. (I have one)

(and not the vendor, I have zero experience with him, he could be terrific)
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Old 05-14-2004, 05:29 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Buyer beware on these things, they're not necessarily all they're cracked up to be. (I have one)
Why would you say that?
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Old 05-17-2004, 04:58 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I have the Predator and love it! What don't you like about it?
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Old 05-17-2004, 08:56 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Do these work like the GM Tech II scanners as far as diagnostics? I have an engine miss and it is not throwing any codes. I am just wandering if this could be used to diagnose what my problem is
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Old 05-18-2004, 03:22 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I don't think the Predator does all of the diagnostics of the Tech II. It does do a few things. I would e-mail diablo sport or tbyrne and ask them. good luck
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Old 05-18-2004, 05:46 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Can you change the temp. that the fans come on?
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Old 05-18-2004, 06:19 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Can you change the temp. that the fans come on?
Yes I read that is part of its capabilities.
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Old 05-18-2004, 08:23 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Sorry didn't see the replies until now...

Alot of the Ford guys that have gotten these for Lightnings/Cobras have had very varying degrees of success, from total happiness to engine failure.

Do a search on www.f150online.com , www.nloc.net , and www.svtperformance.com for some of the info.

As for my personal experience, the first unit I had was DOA (I'm hearing about 1 out of 10 are, or were at least). The 2nd one seemed to work, as long as I didn't try to export any tunes (like my factory one to send off for a custom tune, which you don't even need to do thanks to a bug in the software). I could import custom tunes, just not export any.

As far as the default diablo tunes go, hopefully they're better for the vettes than they were for the L's/C's. Diablosport swore up and down that their tunes were perfectly safe, yet we saw detonation on the dyno using them (and others had even worse problems).

Make sure if you're buying one that it comes with the serial cable (yes it's a serial port, even though computers haven't really come with them in 2 years now), if not you're looking at another $20+ for a serial to USB cable, and even then only 1 is known to fully work both directions (import and export). Also unless your using a laptop in your vehicle (or have a really long cable), your gonna need the power plug for the predator as well (for custom tunes or datalogging interaction with a computer only). Some vendors include these with the programmer, many do not (ask before purchasing).

The basic options are fairly straight forward, however the tricky stuff has incredibly poor instructions, might as well be reading latin (it'd be about as helpful).

Better fuel economy??? hahahahahaha ummm ok...

Most importantly, put your car on the dyno afterwards! If you really want to know what you're gaining you have too, but even more important is to make sure the "tune" is safe for your car at WOT through the rpm range. (every car acts a little differently, even identical stock ones, so you really can't just "assume" it'll work the way you want it too)

Now after adding up the $419 and a dyno session (I can get them for $75/3 pulls), after shipping and/or tax you're at what a good dyno shop would charge to dyno-tune your car. Somebody like DRM charges I believe right around $500 to do it. Personally I'd trust that alot more than a "canned" tune.

Some people will love the predator, some people won't (I was fairly in the middle on the thing overall).

Like I said, buyer beware. Ask alot of questions and just see all the options and experiences of other people before taking the plunge on a $420 item that you may or may not get anything out of.

BTW TByrne, does your predator include the serial cable and power adapter?
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BTW TByrne, does your predator include the serial cable and power adapter?
I ordered one and received it about a week ago but haven't had the chance to connect it to the vehicle. I was under the assumption that it derived it's power from the vehicle's OBDII port? I guess this is not the case?
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Very nice write up Steelgrave !
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Thanks for the info. I think what I will do is take the car to the dealer for diganosing the miss and just take it to a tuner for the rest. There will hopefully be a couple of tuners at the fest with show specials.
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The Predator is ready to use out of the box. Additional cables are needed if Diablo sends you a custom tune. You need to be able to transfer that from your home computer or laptop. The additional cables aren't included.

We've sold a few hundred of these and have only had a problem with 3-4 of them. I believe there were issues with some of the early models but everything has been good now.

The 2004 version just came in today!

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I ordered one and received it about a week ago but haven't had the chance to connect it to the vehicle. I was under the assumption that it derived it's power from the vehicle's OBDII port? I guess this is not the case?
No your assuption is correct, when plugged into the vehicle, it will draw power from the vehicle. However to plug it into your computer in the house for example, thats when you need to power plug.
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Thanks for the info. I think what I will do is take the car to the dealer for diganosing the miss and just take it to a tuner for the rest. There will hopefully be a couple of tuners at the fest with show specials.
That reminds me of one other caveat... If you take your car into a dealer and they find you have an aftermarket tune in the PCM, they can and usually will void whatever warranty you have.
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