actually i'll listen to mikesz06 cause he's old AND has a z06
mike, what would it cost to have forged internals done, if i do the work myself as far as installing?
oh and by the way your avatar still weirds me out man, i feel like he's judging me every time i read your posts
I will try and respond to both your questions as well as a couple of the points that Z06-Dave brought up.
First, I will assume that Dave is just joking about spending an "extra 3-4 grand" on the internals so that you can run 800-900 rwhp.
Since the compression ratio is so high on the Z06, the first thing you have to do to run high boost is bring that CR down from 11:0 to 8.5-9.0. That means new heads and more likely than not new dished pistons as well. There goes all of your $4000 and then some. Add in the cost of forged crank, upgraded connecting rods & bolts, new rockers, different cam, better bearings, new fuel system, injectors, intake manifold, etc, etc and you're in a whole different financial plain. That's not even considering the fact that to run 8 to 9 hundred rwhp the engine will need to be bored and stroked to at least 402ci. Your clutch that worked just fine at 550 to 600rwhp is now practically worthless so the driveline will need some heavy duty upgrades as well.
As for your question on the cost of forged internals, there are just too many variables to even answer properly. The quality of the parts used (and therefore the cost) goes up with the amount of hp to are trying to achieve (and maintain). Also, the parts that require upgrading are in direct proportion to the amount of hp you are going for.
The comparisons between Buick or any other car for that matter don't really play a role here. Fact is, it would be considerably cheaper to build and maintain an older tricked out Pro Stock car than to build a newer Z06 into a super high hp racing machine. Hell, if Paul was still around, he could tell you just how much it cost just to back-half his Z so that he could reach the eights at the track. Not going into details I can say that it was over $30k....and that's just for the back end.
ok so lets say that i want to run 550 hp at the wheels. and i'd like to do it as safe as possible, what would i be looking at? personally even if i decide to go n/a with almost stock hp i will still get forged parts just for the reliability of them. id rather spend 10k and get stock numbers that will run into the upper 100k mile range than have a car with 700 or 900 hp thats only going to last a while and i'll have to work on all the time. i want the car as a daily driver, something manageable that i'm going to put A LOT of miles on. i just want the thing to last.
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ok so lets say that i want to run 550 hp at the wheels. and i'd like to do it as safe as possible, what would i be looking at? personally even if i decide to go n/a with almost stock hp i will still get forged parts just for the reliability of them. id rather spend 10k and get stock numbers that will run into the upper 100k mile range than have a car with 700 or 900 hp thats only going to last a while and i'll have to work on all the time. i want the car as a daily driver, something manageable that i'm going to put A LOT of miles on. i just want the thing to last.
Once again, it depends on the car. The C6Z already has forged internals (except for pistons) and should run 100,000 miles N/A or at 550 rwhp very reliably.
Once again, it depends on the car. The C6Z already has forged internals (except for pistons) and should run 100,000 miles N/A or at 550 rwhp very reliably.
Mike
Mike,
Is the C6Z the only C6 with forged internals? Is the LS3 standard cast internals? Just trying to weigh out my best option as far as total $$$ to get to a reliable 600RWHP.
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Is the C6Z the only C6 with forged internals? Is the LS3 standard cast internals? Just trying to weigh out my best option as far as total $$$ to get to a reliable 600RWHP.
To be honest, I'm not sure. I assume that the LS3 uses cast internals but I can't swear to it.
A good set of ported heads and a top notch crank shaft will run close to $4,000 all by itself.
Mike
Wow, I can get the same for my Buick for half that price. How soon I forgot about the Corvette Tax.
Maybe I hold off before I get another Vette...I blew my head gasket last fall, I spent $100 to fix it...Including fluids.
Wow, I can get the same for my Brick for half that price. How soon I forgot about the Corvette Tax.
Maybe I hold off before I get another Vette...I blew my head gasket last fall, I spent $100 to fix it...Including fluids.
Fixed this for you.Head gaskets? Of course they're cheaper...you've only got 6 cylinders. I bet clutches are a lot less for those Bricks...oh wait, it's an automatic, so no clutch...it really is your father's Buick.
Some of the top 1/4 mile times in C5's (Z's and non-Z's) equipped with centri blowers have been turned in by Novi powered cars.
...and some of them haven't
Sorry guys, kind of a private joke between Don and I.
Don doesn't have a blower but he is close to the people at ECS, which now uses the Paxton Novi set-up after a dispute with Procharger a couple of years ago. Therefore, every time I say the word Procharger, Don likes to chime in
Sorry guys, kind of a private joke between Don and I.
Don doesn't have a blower but he is close to the people at ECS, which now uses the Paxton Novi set-up after a dispute with Procharger a couple of years ago. Therefore, every time I say the word Procharger, Don likes to chime in
Mike
Mike,
Procharger has come a long way in the past few years, and there are many C5/C6 guys running them and making big power and putting down great numbers at the track.
As for ECS and the dispute with Procharger...well, like an old girlfriend told me right before she dumped me, some things just weren't meant to be. You have to move on and make the best of a situation, and I think the guys form ECS have done well with it (and I ended up meeting a marrying a much better woman).
I'm not sure exactly what you mean by the new Novi?
Paxton has had the Novi series out for 15 years I think. A year or 2 ago they came out with a self-lubricating unit (similar to Procharger) that I believe is called the Novi SL. Maybe that is what you are referring to?
For the record, I think the Paxton blowers are very good quality and the difference between their units and Procharger units is probably pretty small.
Procharger has come a long way in the past few years, and there are many C5/C6 guys running them and making big power and putting down great numbers at the track.
As for ECS and the dispute with Procharger...well, like an old girlfriend told me right before she dumped me, some things just weren't meant to be. You have to move on and make the best of a situation, and I think the guys form ECS have done well with it (and I ended up meeting a marrying a much better woman).
Don
Don, I was sorry to see the Procharger and ECS relationship change myself and yes, I would agree that ECS has continued to do well!
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AND has a z06
I bet clutches are a lot less for those Bricks...oh wait, it's an automatic, so no clutch...it really is your father's Buick.
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