Which Superchargers Best?

[Sanford]

Ok

[spoiled996]

where do u get a 6 or 8 rib kit for the magnuson? im getting ready to order mine within the next month

[Sanford]

The Mag comes with everything you need. Let them know what mods you have made and they will make a special program for your car's computer.

[Mr Cowl Hood]

Originally Posted by Dozer42

ATI for me.

Stock 2002 EB Z06 + ATI Blower, headers, fuel = 607.1RWHP

Perfect reliability so far (6k miles and climbing fast) except for a coolant hose that was loose and rubbing up against the blower pully and had to be replaced.

Just did some fun racing against a few friends cars, ate a stock SMG M3 w/333hp, ate a 500rwhp Supra, and walked easily on a Honda F4i w/minor mods (about 110hp).

All this was with a passenger in the car. My average mileage before the runs for the past 2k miles or so is 23.5mpg, after the runs it'd dropped to 22.7mpg, after the drive home I'm back to 23.1mpg.

I've heard of belt problems with the ATI, but none for me so far. Biggest problem is I need more traction. Even with CCWs and 335/30/18s out back it annihilates the tires in 1st, can break thm loose in 2nd easily if they're not warmed up, etc.

Haven't had it to the track yet, I'm not a 1/4miler for the most part, but I'd gather it's solidly in the 10s on the Mich Pilot Sports as the F4i can break into the 10s pretty easily and my buddy can certainly ride like a demon.

The Vortech is great, the Magnussen is great. They're all winners and you'll have a **** eating grin on your face any way you go. Personally for street racing I'd avoid the Magnu due to the low end torque, you want less, not more down low, unless you're running slicks.

That's the right choice.

[supersmokin650]

Yeah its here..... getting it installed tomarrow when my intercooler arrives....not sure where to get it dynod with the ls1 edit though n e 1 help me out? Im in the san fran bay area

[Louis Rivera]

Originally Posted by supersmokin650

Yeah its here..... getting it installed tomarrow when my intercooler arrives....not sure where to get it dynod with the ls1 edit though n e 1 help me out? Im in the san fran bay area

You can pull PCM out and overnight it to Andy's Guy in PA you supply him with all the info about your mods and he'll set you up. I'm happy with end product except Don't Know HP #s. But it runs like a bandit. I have it Dyno' in the spring

[Silver Streak]

Originally Posted by kevette

OK GUYS IF YOU WERE GETTING A SUPERCHARGER WHICH ONE WOULD YOU CHOOSE AND WHY?. VORTECH, ATI PROCHARGER ,MAGNACHARGER ,[STREET DRIVING USEAGE] AND SOME 1/4 MILE RUNS MOSTLY RED LIGHT TO REDLIGHT DRIVING.

I have experience with both on a Mustang some years ago. My preference for the street is the Eaton / Roots, lots of bottom end grunt (the hood thing is an issue though). However, if I thought I was going to track my Z on a regular basis then I might lean towards a Centrifigul with an intercooler. Either way, make sure it is professionally tuned to stay away from excessive cylinder pressures and detonation.

[SRV]

Originally Posted by Silver Streak

I have experience with both on a Mustang some years ago. My preference for the street is the Eaton / Roots, lots of bottom end grunt (the hood thing is an issue though).

There is NO reason to go with a Roots-style supercharger if one wants a positive displacement blower. Instead, go with a Whipple which is a positive displacement blower too, but is infinitely more efficient than the Fred-Flintstone-era Roots.

[Silver Streak]

You're absolutely right! However, no one asked about the "over priced" Whipple. Next time SRV, I'll choose my words more wisely to avoid ruffling any feathers!

[B_P_fox]

Originally Posted by SRV

There is NO reason to go with a Roots-style supercharger if one wants a positive displacement blower. Instead, go with a Whipple which is a positive displacement blower too, but is infinitely more efficient than the Fred-Flintstone-era Roots.

Is there a whipple kit out there for an LS6?

I have been in contact with Kenne Belle about a postitve displacement blower and was told not to expect anything till the end of the year @ best even if they decided to kit their blower for an LS6. So till then gotta be patient and be happy with my roots.

[Jagrmaister]

I had a 2000 Mustang GT previously that I slapped a Vortech on...after 6,000 miles, I had blown the motor. This is a scenario that's happened to more people than just me when adding forced induction to a car not originally intended for said poweradder.

While we're talking about the Z06, it was never meant from factory to have an additional 200rwhp made from a supercharged/turbocharged/nitroused application. I, personally, would never force induce a car that didn't come from factory with some forced induction ability already (i.e. Supra, '03 Cobra, etc, etc). However, had I the money for a rebuild, I would certainly go ahead and spend the dollars on a forged low compression block, and then go ahead and strap the blower on top.

The Magnuson seems to be a pretty good alternative that stays on the conservative side of error (by my figures anyways). Should I ever have considered forced induction on the cheap without building a block, this would have been my route. Instead, I chose a cam setup, but wish I had gone ahead and done heads at the same time.

Choose wisely. I'm of the mindset that tells people if you can't afford to fix it if something happens, you better take it easy. My recommendation is to build a shortblock, then strap on a centrifugal if that's the route you want to go and add as much hp as needed. The magnuson's more conservative, so, feel free to take your chances without a new shortblock.

[Jagrmaister]

After posting, I saw the original date of this thread....How do these things get stirred up?

[SRV]

Originally Posted by Silver Streak

You're absolutely right! However, no one asked about the "over priced" Whipple.

Just because no one asked doesn't mean the advice is any less valid. A Roots is a complete piece of crap compared to a Whipple, regardless of the price differential.

Next time SRV, I'll choose my words more wisely to avoid ruffling any feathers!

You didn't ruffle my feathers as I'm a centrifugal guy, and it would be my choice for the Z06 if I were to supercharge it. My stock Z NA already has too much low-end torque as-is, and a positive displacement blower will only exacerbate the problem, whereas a centrifugal starts coming on at 3500 RPM and screams to redline. As a result, hook-up is easier to control, and it's easier on the drivetrain too due to it's 'soft' power delivery versus a positive displacement blower.

[COUTO1981]

I never had a SC on my z06, but I had a Vortec on My Mustang and it took a little of power from idle to 3000rpm, and from 3000 to 6200 it simplied shot across the rpm range, I MEAN SHOT, what I liked better was that I got the SQ which stands for Super Quiet, and the only way you knew that the car wasn't stock is if you knew about cars but had to get up close to hear it at idle, On any other RPM other then idle , You heard Nothing of Supercharger whine. But If you want low end then the Roots type blower like the Magna would be best, actually those blowers had power evenly around to your power band, actually your power band and peaks stay the same as far as curve is concerned, but just higher hp for that certain RPM, so I think it would more bottom end then the Vortec(or any other Centrifucal SC) but problably spin more, but if you want the same effect of the Magna, do the vortec anyway but change the gears and you got the bottom end and the crazy top end of the Vortec without changing your hood. Or just go all nuts with a TURBO

[COUTO1981]

Originally Posted by Jagrmaister

I had a 2000 Mustang GT previously that I slapped a Vortech on...after 6,000 miles, I had blown the motor. This is a scenario that's happened to more people than just me when adding forced induction to a car not originally intended for said poweradder.

While we're talking about the Z06, it was never meant from factory to have an additional 200rwhp made from a supercharged/turbocharged/nitroused application. I, personally, would never force induce a car that didn't come from factory with some forced induction ability already (i.e. Supra, '03 Cobra, etc, etc). However, had I the money for a rebuild, I would certainly go ahead and spend the dollars on a forged low compression block, and then go ahead and strap the blower on top.



The Magnuson seems to be a pretty good alternative that stays on the conservative side of error (by my figures anyways). Should I ever have considered forced induction on the cheap without building a block, this would have been my route. Instead, I chose a cam setup, but wish I had gone ahead and done heads at the same time.

Choose wisely. I'm of the mindset that tells people if you can't afford to fix it if something happens, you better take it easy. My recommendation is to build a shortblock, then strap on a centrifugal if that's the route you want to go and add as much hp as needed. The magnuson's more conservative, so, feel free to take your chances without a new shortblock.

I too had a 2000 Mustang GT and added a Vortec, It too blew but It was Jason HEFFNER from Heffner's performance in Glen Burnie, MD who when installing the Vortech fuel pump , he broke something in the catch can which meant that fuel couldn't be deliver to the motor like it was suppose too (LONG LONG STORY )Was for Jason to work on his mistake, instead of blowing me off when I told him something was wrong and told me to go tune instead,It would have lasted longer like normally they do, tuners found the problem but it was too late, the motor had gone through serious detonation , over 20 times. Considering that it actually held for a long time. Would that not of happen I think that motor would of held up for a descent time, depending on the driver and the tune, But that's the price you pay for performance, That's why the company builds the motor at 260hp and not 500 like the vortech gives it

Same thing for the z06, It can only take but so much, If you really want the power, Do it, Its not going to last as long as would if it didn't have it on if you get on it, If you wouldnt to get on it like some do just for bragging rights, it will last about the same time! But I think if you're goind to do it, THERE'S NO POINT OF BUILDING A MOTOR BEFORE PUTTING IT ON!!! Dont fix something that's not broke!! Even if you build up a motor, it doesn't mean its bullettproff, plus it might be stronger, but a factory motor is engineered to be duplicated thousands of times, therefore you cant beat the engineering of it, I think. I think after you do blow, build it with all the stronger parts! But Have fun for now, if you got money to through a supercharger, we'll have money a couple of years down the road to rebuild a motor, hopefully