Let me put it more succinctly: If you take it to a track it is warrantied, unless you engage in competition. It is warrantied unless you abuse or misuse it. Again, per the owners manual.
Note: GM does not tell you what they define as abuse or misuse. Therefore, it's conceivable GM could say "You took it to a track and that is misuse." Go ahead and fight. See how far you get. Are you going to sue GM to force them to fix your car under warranty? Good luck!
If you want answers and suggestions as to how to improve your cars performance, including the brakes, then you have come to the right place. If you want to learn more about how to maintain brakes when used on a track, then again, you have come to the right place.
That said, statements like the following are not going to gain much sympathy here.
Have you noticed the lack of replies to your original post? Perhaps this is the reason why.
ps: One more thing. In your "Sigh, tired of warped rotors... Advice?" thread you said...
Referring to blkZ06's signature in that way is not going to make you any friends either.
blkZ06's signature is a bug crawling around on the scree... I think he get's it... that's the point... thats the joke... it's supposed to make you want to break your screen! ohhh boy... your a little slow, I can see.
They did replace his rotors, which tells me there was something wrong with them. I would have to agree that this is unacceptable for rotors if the car is only being street driven- and well below any crazy speeds. I think jr is just unhappy because he is saying this happened under normal driving conditions.
Keep us posted and let's see how these rotors do.
Thanks, finally someone who sees my point and doesn't over-analyze the whole situation... I don't know why there is so much gossip about the pads... that's never been an issue... that's one thing I would understand may need to be replace often! I'll keep you posted. So far, so good.
Maybe there is a bad batch of rotors like there was rocker arms. My brakes are great and I drive 90% of the time on the track. (I am a member at MSR). I have small cracks in the rotors radiating out from the holes, but other than that they are fine. I use DTC 70 pads. Other than frequent replacement I think the design is good for the track.
Ill tell ya, people on the digital corvettes forum - what a bunch of sensitive morons! I posted the same question's over there, and people took it "personal" because "I'm" unhappy with the brakes on my Z. What sense does that make? After the replacement, so far so good. I never had a complaint about the car itself. I mean, I did buy it. (I mentioned that I was looking at an M5 as well, before deciding on the gorgeous Z06 and that I thought that this would never happen to the M5 if I had it... I have never heard of the rotors on an M5 warping... again... like you guys said, mayhave been a bad batch of rotors) They went as far as assuming I'm a 13 year old kid / BMW lover, that doesn't even own a Z? Different world over there. I feel more at home here. lol. Do I not have a right to be upset that the rotors on a 3 month old, $75k "track version" C6 Z06 were warped? Pure insanity!
Ill tell ya, people on the digital corvettes forum - what a bunch of sensitive morons! I posted the same question's over there, and people took it "personal" because "I'm" unhappy with the brakes on my Z. What sense does that make?
Certainly not defending another site, however if you started off your thread with comments like this......
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I have been preaching Imports and European cars for the last 10 years. It is my own fault for buying another POS American car. They are just pure crap.
then you are not likely to win the hearts and minds of most Corvette enthusiasts.
Certainly not defending another site, however if you started off your thread with comments like this......
then you are not likely to win the hearts and minds of most Corvette enthusiasts.
Mike
Mike, the point is, I OWN a Z06. I love the car. I had problems with brand new rotors under normal driving conditions. You can be a Corvette Enthusiast, and still like other cars as well. To say an M5 is a over-engineered piece of garbage is just pure ignorance. Both the Z06 and the M5 are high performance cars. Have I destroyed M5's in races? Yes. That was never the argument... American cars are just not built as well, any good motor/auto builder will tell you that. From the quality of the rotors used on these "top notch, high end American muscle cars" to the plastic caps they use to cover screw holes... it's just made cheaper. You can make a Hyundai go faster than a Z06, does that mean it's a well made car? Thats all I was saying. All in all, of course the Z06 is the best bang for your buck. And of course your going to burn through "pads" like many have mentioned before on both forums, but the rotors warping under normal driving conditions? No, thats not acceptable, on ANY car, let alone ours.
No my friend, that is a point you are trying to make now. It is NOT the point you were trying to make when you posted the following comment..."I have been preaching Imports and European cars for the last 10 years. It is my own fault for buying another POS American car. They are just pure crap."
Hence my comment about 'winning the hearts and minds'.
For the record, just because you own a Z06 doesn't make every comment you make easy to swallow by everyone. Here, I'll give you an example... You come up to me and say "Damn Mike, you sure have an ugly wife ....but it's alright for me to say that because my wife is ugly too!" Do you see what I mean? Do you think I'm not going to take offense at your comment just because your wife is ugly?
You can be a Corvette Enthusiast, and still like other cars as well. Yes
To say an M5 is a over-engineered piece of garbage is just pure ignorance.
Yes
That was never the argument... American cars are just not built as well, any good motor/auto builder will tell you that. From the quality of the rotors used on these "top notch, high end American muscle cars" to the plastic caps they use to cover screw holes... it's just made cheaper.
Unbelievable overstatement! Not all European, Japanese, etc cars are better built than US auto's. I have owned many foreign cars (including BMW, MB, Toyota and Nissan) and many American made cars and have had problems with some and no problem with others. I'm also not certain you can generalize "what any good motor/auto builder" will tell you. That sounds more like your personal opinion
You can make a Hyundai go faster than a Z06, does that mean it's a well made car? Thats all I was saying.
Once again, I would have to disagree. That's not all you were saying when you made the comment......."I have been preaching Imports and European cars for the last 10 years. It is my own fault for buying another POS American car. They are just pure crap." You moved a little off dead center with this comment. Sounds way too much like the comment you see frequently from many 'little boy ricer' sites.
Now, let me repeat again what I said in my previous post. I'm not trying to wail on you, I'm just saying that if you used similar language over on the other site regarding the POS Vette's, etc....you can't really be all that surprised if some came back at you pretty strong, now can you.
Now, let me repeat again what I said in my previous post. I'm not trying to wail on you, I'm just saying that if you used similar language over on the other site regarding the POS Vette's, etc....you can't really be all that surprised if some came back at you pretty strong, now can you.
Mike
Sorry Mike, It was the heat of the moment. I just came back from the Chevy dealer for the 5th time in 3 months. You'de be PO's too! I love the Z06, I love my Jeep Wrangler, and I love a couple more American cars... however, there isn't an American car on the planet that's built to last like the imports. Its a fact. Ask any mechanic that has worked on both imports and American autos. Ask any worker who has driven a Toyota Tundra vs a Ford F250. The list can go on and on...By the way, does your beautiful wife know that you compare her to your beautiful car? lol
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Sorry Mike, It was the heat of the moment. I just came back from the Chevy dealer for the 5th time in 3 months. You'de be PO's too! I love the Z06, I love my Jeep Wrangler, and I love a couple more American cars... however, there isn't an American car on the planet that's built to last like the imports. Its a fact. Ask any mechanic that has worked on both imports and American autos. Ask any worker who has driven a Toyota Tundra vs a Ford F250. The list can go on and on...By the way, does your beautiful wife know that you compare her to your beautiful car? lol
I'll ask my dad, he drives his 1965 vette every day. I'm sure when he does he sees a lot of 1965 Porsche 356's and BMW 505's being driven to the golf course too...Or maybe a 240Z, you see those on the road all over the place. Funny thing is, all three (if they were ever reliable enough to drive daily) would have less HP than his daily driver. Just my HO talkin.
New rotors are better, but if I brake "hard" at any speed higher than 70mph, it's already starting to "flutter" again.
I don't know what to do now... but the dealership is blaming it on my rims? (not to mention they balanced them and said they were perfect 3-4x!) Makes no sense to me, but I'm bringing them to a speed shop this week to have them professionally balanced, etc to see if that is the case. The factory reproduction guys said if they are defective in any way, they will replace them no questions asked, but it is highly unlikely that is what it is.
Does anyone have any additional advice as to what to do next - if you were me? Keep in mind: brand new Z06, 5k miles, never tracked the car. Rotos cut 2x, replaced (front) once. Thanks in advance.
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New rotors are better, but if I brake "hard" at any speed higher than 70mph, it's already starting to "flutter" again.
I don't know what to do now... but the dealership is blaming it on my rims? (not to mention they balanced them and said they were perfect 3-4x!) Makes no sense to me, but I'm bringing them to a speed shop this week to have them professionally balanced, etc to see if that is the case. The factory reproduction guys said if they are defective in any way, they will replace them no questions asked, but it is highly unlikely that is what it is.
Does anyone have any additional advice as to what to do next - if you were me? Keep in mind: brand new Z06, 5k miles, never tracked the car. Rotos cut 2x, replaced (front) once. Thanks in advance.
I have no idea what the problem is, but I will offer a comment. If the rotors are warped, or, have pad deposits on the surface, that is not a condition that exists only at speed. It is an imperfection that is constant, and can be felt at any speed, and under very light braking pressure. You didn't mention if your original rotors were measured. A truly warped rotor is very easy to positively diagnose. I assume all bearing and suspension connections have been checked. One thought, although unlikely, is a cracked wheel; one that is giving some vibration, but only under certain minimum stress. Again, the rotors can be easily and quickly checked for imperfection; no need to speculate on them as a potential cause. I think you will find another source of the problem.
...... but the dealership is blaming it on my rims?.....
Ohhhh - You've got aftermarket wheels!!!
You did remove the Tinnerman nuts before mounting them, right?
Many aftermarket wheels do not have the countersunk area on the inside around the lug hole and the Tinnerman nuts won't allow the wheel to mount flush with the hub.
You say you're getting the "flutter" during braking, but what you describe is exactly what owners experience when the wheel isn't flush with the hub - around 70 mph and above they get a wobble that they interpret as an unbalanced wheel.
I can't believe that they're still on your wheels, especially after all the times your rotors have been off to get turned or to get new one, but you might want to check again and make sure you removed all of them.
You say you're taking the car to a speed shop to get the wheels checked - I'd get them to check and make sure they're mounting up properly flush with the hub.
New rotors are better, but if I brake "hard" at any speed higher than 70mph, it's already starting to "flutter" again.
I don't know what to do now... but the dealership is blaming it on my rims? (not to mention they balanced them and said they were perfect 3-4x!) Makes no sense to me, but I'm bringing them to a speed shop this week to have them professionally balanced, etc to see if that is the case. The factory reproduction guys said if they are defective in any way, they will replace them no questions asked, but it is highly unlikely that is what it is.
Does anyone have any additional advice as to what to do next - if you were me? Keep in mind: brand new Z06, 5k miles, never tracked the car. Rotos cut 2x, replaced (front) once. Thanks in advance.
ive posted before on this. get a dial indicator,find out which rotor is not in spec for run out,an infared temp tester would help,are the pads being bedded in to the new rotors,are the lug nuts torqued right.
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