Corvette Z06 vs. Nissan GT-R vs. Porsche 911 Turbo

[ZO6 AL-X]

Originally Posted by JBsZ06

I was surprised I was banned. I never said anything derogatory as its just not my style.

I think the GTR is a pretty cool techno sports GT that in many ways ups the ante.

I can only imagine its the fact I use the same name on many of the various forums..and it was a preemptive move?

Yeah, I don't think you would say anything offensive. Some guys are just touchy.

[dvredc6427]

IMO - while the Nissan is going to be a great vehicle - what is fair about comparing AWD with any 2wd vehicle? Plus, the Nissan is putting out much greater HP numbers than advertised, it has too given the weight of the car. Simple 1/4 mile mathmatics tells us that. Also, how about putting on some REAL tires on the Z06 like the Porsche and Nissan come with?? Not knocking the Nissan at all - just not a real honest comparison. It wil be an easy car to gain even more HP with once tuners provide kits to wick up the boost - hope the drive system can handle it??

[cj8718]

Originally Posted by dvredc6427

IMO - while the Nissan is going to be a great vehicle - what is fair about comparing AWD with any 2wd vehicle? Plus, the Nissan is putting out much greater HP numbers than advertised, it has too given the weight of the car. Simple 1/4 mile mathmatics tells us that. Also, how about putting on some REAL tires on the Z06 like the Porsche and Nissan come with?? Not knocking the Nissan at all - just not a real honest comparison. It wil be an easy car to gain even more HP with once tuners provide kits to wick up the boost - hope the drive system can handle it??

What's fair have to do w/ anything? This test showed which car was faster on that track and left no doubt as to the winner - it was, in fact, a slaughter.

Excuses can be made but when you start talking about non-stock, it's a slippery slope that ALL participants can take advantage of.

[zeta08]

All cars are perfect before official release. Then the roofs fly off...

[zeta08]

Here's the caranddriver track comparison of the then new 911 turbo vs. the 2006 Z06:
the Z06 was...
. Around our road course, it was an easy victor, 1.7 seconds quicker than the Porsche on a near-76-second lap.

So why was the 911 turbo as fast as an 08 Z06?? Doesn't this seem weird to yawl?

Oh, and I'm biased, did I say that already?

[cj8718]

Originally Posted by zeta08

Here's the caranddriver track comparison of the then new 911 turbo vs. the 2006 Z06:
the Z06 was...
. Around our road course, it was an easy victor, 1.7 seconds quicker than the Porsche on a near-76-second lap.

So why was the 911 turbo as fast as an 08 Z06?? Doesn't this seem weird to yawl?

Oh, and I'm biased, did I say that already?

Not really since the track is different. Cars can differ as well.

Or maybe, as some on this thread want to believe, GM paid C&D to dawg the German a bit.

[JBsZ06]

GM paid off car and driver?

Well now I know the world is flat!

Thanks

[zeta08]

Originally Posted by cj8718

Not really since the track is different. Cars can differ as well.

Or maybe, as some on this thread want to believe, GM paid C&D to dawg the German a bit.

Yea, German car's typically are rated poorly by car mags...

1.7 seconds per 78 second lap? That sounds like a different class of automobile to me. Something seems not right. I don't know, I want to wait until the real GTR's come out to decide which is faster. I really don't feel sure that the GTR is faster than a Z06 on a typical road course in real life. Oh how I'd love to run into one in the right setting...

[cj8718]

Originally Posted by zeta08

Yea, German car's typically are rated poorly by car mags...

Sarcasm noted.

Every BMW, Porsche or Benz I've driven has deserved the good words I've read about them. None had the exhaust/tranny rattle that my 12,000 mile "world beater" has and some had as many as 15 times the odo reading.

I'll be honest - I would have bought a Porsche or BMW but there's no dealer or shop to service them within 150 miles of where I live. In fact, I'd trade my brother, pink-for-pink, for his slow-ass 650 and I LOVE fast cars. BMW deserves it's rep.

Originally Posted by zeta08

1.7 seconds per 78 second lap? That sounds like a different class of automobile to me. Something seems not right. I don't know, I want to wait until the real GTR's come out to decide which is faster. I really don't feel sure that the GTR is faster than a Z06 on a typical road course in real life. Oh how I'd love to run into one in the right setting...

I still don't get what's so hard to believe. The Nissan may be heavier but w/ 40-50 more hp (a couple of pubs say this and the results bear it out), AWD and superior software, how can you NOT think it would be faster?

[MikesZ06]

Originally Posted by cj8718

Sarcasm noted.

Every BMW, Porsche or Benz I've driven has deserved the good words I've read about them. None had the exhaust/tranny rattle that my 12,000 mile "world beater" has and some had as many as 15 times the odo reading.

I'll be honest - I would have bought a Porsche or BMW but there's no dealer or shop to service them within 150 miles of where I live. In fact, I'd trade my brother, pink-for-pink, for his slow-ass 650 and I LOVE fast cars. BMW deserves it's rep.



I still don't get what's so hard to believe. The Nissan may be heavier but w/ 40-50 more hp (a couple of pubs say this and the results bear it out), AWD and superior software, how can you NOT think it would be faster?

After reading several of your posts, I would tend to agree with you. I do think you would do better in a MB, Porsche, BMW or Nissan than in a Vette.

If I were you I'd get rid of the Z at my earliest opportunity and get a 'good' car, perhaps even a GTR that is super-duper fast

Mike

[zeta08]

Originally Posted by MikesZ06

After reading several of your posts, I would tend to agree with you. I do think you would do better in a MB, Porsche, BMW or Nissan than in a Vette.

If I were you I'd get rid of the Z at my earliest opportunity and get a 'good' car, perhaps even a GTR that is super-duper fast

Mike

^^ I know you're kidding, but really, that's a little out of line, especially for a moderator...IMHO.. It's a discussion about cars with a ton of conjecture. We're sitting at computers typing about cars we've never driven...I personally can see and respect the arguments above. I do still think that with a driver familiar with it, a Z may not really be beatable with electronics compensating for wt / hp issues , so I eagerly await being vindicated by reports come 6 months from now. But come on, let's keep the virtual garage open to all drivers.

[MikesZ06]

Originally Posted by zeta08

^^ I know you're kidding, but really, that's a little out of line, especially for a moderator...IMHO.. It's a discussion about cars with a ton of conjecture. We're sitting at computers typing about cars we've never driven...I personally can see and respect the arguments above. I do still think that with a driver familiar with it, a Z may not really be beatable with electronics compensating for wt / hp issues , so I eagerly await being vindicated by reports come 6 months from now. But come on, let's keep the virtual garage open to all drivers.

If you knew I was kidding around, then why the necessity for a sermon on the do's and dont's of car discussions as well as your lesson on the proper etiquette for moderators?

I'm sure there is a proper time and place to demonstrate righteous indignation but are you sure this was it

Mike

[DarthVette]

Originally Posted by MikesZ06

If you knew I was kidding around, then why the necessity for a sermon on the do's and dont's of car discussions as well as your lesson on the proper etiquette for moderators?

I'm sure there is a proper time and place to demonstrate righteous indignation but are you sure this was it

Mike

Round One: Mike!



-DV

[JBsZ06]

Gotta give credit where credit is due.. (if in fact its an offical time)

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Nissan GT-R posts 7:29 lap time at Nürburgring
By GREG MIGLIORE
Nissan GT-R
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As if fans of the GT-R needed another reason to drool, Nissan now seems intent on proving the supercar's prowess on the track.

In mid-April, its chief test driver pushed a production-spec GT-R to a lap time of seven minutes, 29 seconds at the Nürburgring--nine seconds faster than the car's previous best time that was recorded last year in damp conditions.

The car was piloted by Toshio Suzuki and had standard Japanese tires.

Nissan says the performance ranks among the best by a production car in the Nürburgring's 81-year history and had made it a goal to get a lap time of less than seven minutes, 30 seconds at the storied 12.9-mile German track.

"Below seven minutes, 30 seconds, the GT-R proves it is among the fastest mass-production cars in the world," said Kazutoshi Mizuno, the GT-R's chief engineer, in a statement.

A car produced by a British company, Radical Sportscars, claims to hold the record for road cars at the Nürburgring with a lap time of 6:55, set in September 2005. To generate publicity, numerous automakers test their cars at the track, though under different conditions, which makes comparisons tough.

The GT-R is powered by a twin-turbocharged 3.8-liter V6 rated at 480 hp and has a top speed of 193 mph. It goes on sale in the United States and Canada in July and will roll out to other markets over the next year. It bowed in Japan in December 2007.



This article was last updated on: 05/01/08, 12:22 et

[cj8718]

Originally Posted by MikesZ06

After reading several of your posts, I would tend to agree with you. I do think you would do better in a MB, Porsche, BMW or Nissan than in a Vette.

If I were you I'd get rid of the Z at my earliest opportunity and get a 'good' car, perhaps even a GTR that is super-duper fast

Mike

Your tone is troubling but I guess it should be expected. On other sites I used to frequent when I had different cars, the terms "fanboi" and "nut swinger" would apply. Somehow I expected more open minds as the bucks/pedigree increased.

Make no mistake about it, I love my car. It's certainly the best all-around one I've ever had but I'll be damned if I'll throw on blinders just because it's the one for which I wrote the check.

If the fact that I can criticize my car (that happens to be the same type as you have) bothers you, I'm sorry. I was under the impression boards like these were for the exchange of information/opinions. Silly me.