Re: Corvette Z06 vs. Nissan GT-R vs. Porsche 911 Turbo
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Originally Posted by cj8718
Your tone is troubling.......
Silly me.
Geez, what are you guys doing, quoting out of some Psych 101 book you keep on your shelves?
"Your tone is troubling"...wtf...lighten up Shirley.
My comment was made in jest and I didn't realize that a couple of you guys have such thin skin that you'd get your panties in a bunch over some levity. Perhaps someone is taking themselves just a bit too seriously.
You guys want to slobber all over the GTR, please be my guest. I haven't seen it but it's probably a pretty good car and you are free to "nutswing" (I believe that was your word) over any old car you choose.
Re: Corvette Z06 vs. Nissan GT-R vs. Porsche 911 Turbo
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Originally Posted by MikesZ06
Geez, what are you guys doing, quoting out of some Psych 101 book you keep on your shelves?
"Your tone is troubling"...wtf...lighten up Shirley.
I could've said "Your sour grapes attitude is pathetic" (which is what I really think). That suit you better, Mikey?
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Originally Posted by MikesZ06
My comment was made in jest and I didn't realize that a couple of you guys have such thin skin that you'd get your panties in a bunch over some levity. Perhaps someone is taking themselves just a bit too seriously.
If that's "jest", you need some help w/ the concept. Wait, too 101-ish, I'll bet. How about: "you fail miserably at humor" or, better yet: "That was stupid.".
BTW, you actually used the word "levity". You're ballin' now...
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Originally Posted by MikesZ06
...you are free to "nutswing" (I believe that was your word) over any old car you choose.
Not my word but a good description of someone refusing to accept facts.
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Originally Posted by MikesZ06
No "blinders required....
Mike
No, the one pair you already have seem to suit you just fine.
Gotta give credit where credit is due.. (if in fact its an offical time)
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Nissan GT-R posts 7:29 lap time at Nürburgring
By GREG MIGLIORE
Nissan GT-R
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As if fans of the GT-R needed another reason to drool, Nissan now seems intent on proving the supercar's prowess on the track.
In mid-April, its chief test driver pushed a production-spec GT-R to a lap time of seven minutes, 29 seconds at the Nürburgring--nine seconds faster than the car's previous best time that was recorded last year in damp conditions.
The car was piloted by Toshio Suzuki and had standard Japanese tires.
Nissan says the performance ranks among the best by a production car in the Nürburgring's 81-year history and had made it a goal to get a lap time of less than seven minutes, 30 seconds at the storied 12.9-mile German track.
"Below seven minutes, 30 seconds, the GT-R proves it is among the fastest mass-production cars in the world," said Kazutoshi Mizuno, the GT-R's chief engineer, in a statement.
A car produced by a British company, Radical Sportscars, claims to hold the record for road cars at the Nürburgring with a lap time of 6:55, set in September 2005. To generate publicity, numerous automakers test their cars at the track, though under different conditions, which makes comparisons tough.
The GT-R is powered by a twin-turbocharged 3.8-liter V6 rated at 480 hp and has a top speed of 193 mph. It goes on sale in the United States and Canada in July and will roll out to other markets over the next year. It bowed in Japan in December 2007.
This article was last updated on: 05/01/08, 12:22 et
Re: Corvette Z06 vs. Nissan GT-R vs. Porsche 911 Turbo
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Originally Posted by cj8718
I could've said "Your sour grapes attitude is pathetic" (which is what I really think). That suit you better, Mikey?
If that's "jest", you need some help w/ the concept. Wait, too 101-ish, I'll bet. How about: "you fail miserably at humor" or, better yet: "That was stupid.".
BTW, you actually used the word "levity". You're ballin' now...
No, the one pair you already have seem to suit you just fine.
Oh terrific, what have we got here...another keyboard warrior.
Your comments are just too clever for me....how in the world can I keep up with your snappy witticisms.
I guess I'll have to give serious thought about the "sour grapes" comment. Always thought that indicated that somebody had something that somebody else didn't have and they were mad about it. I'm sure that must apply here somehow but I'll be damned if I know how. Sounded cool when you typed it though, didn't it
Just a suggestion but you might want to try one size large panty next time you're at the store. Doesn't bind quite as much
Re: Corvette Z06 vs. Nissan GT-R vs. Porsche 911 Turbo
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Originally Posted by MikesZ06
Oh terrific, what have we got here...another keyboard warrior.
Your comments are just too clever for me....how in the world can I keep up with your snappy witticisms.
I guess I'll have to give serious thought about the "sour grapes" comment. Always thought that indicated that somebody had something that somebody else didn't have and they were mad about it. I'm sure that must apply here somehow but I'll be damned if I know how. Sounded cool when you typed it though, didn't it
You're "sour grapes" because you can't handle that your car isn't the baddest around. You have to get it by now...
Since you're in such a twist that you've had to stoop to insults I think it's time to cut you loose. Oh, and don't let me see you agreeing with the rest of us that the Nissan might just be a match for our vaunted Z's.
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Originally Posted by MikesZ06
Just a suggestion but you might want to try one size large panty next time you're at the store. Doesn't bind quite as much
Mike
Thanks so much for your suggestion - I'll give it all the thought it deserves. Buh-bye.
Re: Corvette Z06 vs. Nissan GT-R vs. Porsche 911 Turbo
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Originally Posted by cj8718
You're "sour grapes" because you can't handle that your car isn't the baddest around. You have to get it by now...
Oh, I think I can handle a GTR. I'm not losing a lot of sleep over that but at least I now see what you were trying to say. Thought you were just throwin' stuff out as you went along just to see how it sounded.
btw, I haven't started with any insults yet.....didn't think they were needed.
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Oh, and don't let me see you agreeing with the rest of us that the Nissan might just be a match for our vaunted Z's.
Re: Corvette Z06 vs. Nissan GT-R vs. Porsche 911 Turbo
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Originally Posted by MikesZ06
Wow, I feel better now. Was pretty worried about that leg pulling thing
Take care bro and let the discussions continue.
Mike
(btw, I can get you a good deal on a GTR if your interested)
Maybe I'll want a GTR but the garage is pretty full right now (not to mention the empty checkbook).
I imagine I'll have the Z for a while - it's pretty good at dealing w/ my speed Jones. Just yesterday I did a 280 mile road trip, much of it on deserted back roads. What a hoot!
If I were to add something else I think it would be an Aston Martin Vantage - the most beautiful car I've ever seen.
Re: Corvette Z06 vs. Nissan GT-R vs. Porsche 911 Turbo
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Originally Posted by cj8718
the Nissan might just be a match for our vaunted Z's.
"match" in what sense? lap times? How does that effect us as owners? Bragging rights? A turbocharged 3800 pounder with an automatic transmission and all wheel drive will never "match" the challenge and reward of mastering a light, normally aspirated, rear drive stick shift car like the Z.
"match" in what sense? lap times? How does that effect us as owners? Bragging rights? A turbocharged 3800 pounder with an automatic transmission and all wheel drive will never "match" the challenge and reward of mastering a light, normally aspirated, rear drive stick shift car like the Z.
Thank you!! I don't care what this car can or can't do if it's an automatic! Why would I want that? Throw in launch control, awd, and the motherboard from a Sony Playstation, and what you get is a very fast ROBOT.
It is an amazing technological achievement and Nissan's engineers deserve credit for building a kick ass car. It certainly puts up some good numbers (at least those that are legitimate). But I want a clutch pedal. I want a real 6-speed.
What about the slush box from a Bimmer, you say? Paddle shifters from a Ferrari? All very advanced technology. But no thanks. I am willing to sacrifice a few fractions of a tick for a more satisfying DRIVER'S EXPERIENCE. You know, where I actually get to do something besides turn the wheel from side to side!!
Give us the option of a manual transmission, Nissan. Some of us can handle it.
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Re: Corvette Z06 vs. Nissan GT-R vs. Porsche 911 Turbo
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Originally Posted by vant
Thank you!! I don't care what this car can or can't do if it's an automatic! Why would I want that? Throw in launch control, awd, and the motherboard from a Sony Playstation, and what you get is a very fast ROBOT.
It is an amazing technological achievement and Nissan's engineers deserve credit for building a kick ass car. It certainly puts up some good numbers (at least those that are legitimate). But I want a clutch pedal. I want a real 6-speed.
What about the slush box from a Bimmer, you say? Paddle shifters from a Ferrari? All very advanced technology. But no thanks. I am willing to sacrifice a few fractions of a tick for a more satisfying DRIVER'S EXPERIENCE. You know, where I actually get to do something besides turn the wheel from side to side!!
Give us the option of a manual transmission, Nissan. Some of us can handle it.
I agree ^^ for myself. But when you really think about it, we like speed, right? I mean come on, our Z's have all kinds of things that make the car easier to drive fast, from syncros to power steering..We like that those things make the car faster for the average non-superhuman to drive. An automatic transmission up until about 5-10 years ago in supercars (and now most cars) was a detriment to speed. But now with DRG and paddles and double clutches and such, this stuff is making cars faster even for experts, all the way down to the new Evo...I think this is really a revolution. It's fun to watch....
I still like manual trannys too (partly because I have this stupid concept that they are more reliable in the back of my head, when that is not even my experience), but I don't think it's unfair to compare a car with electronic gadgets and AWD stock that is about the same price as a Z to a Z. AWD drains power. AT's are heavy. Electronics are not "active", predicting when to shift ahead of time, like a MT...There are trade-offs all around. That's what makes knowing about all different rides fun - and comparing vastly different cars on a track. And that's what makes F1 better than indy-cars, and ALMS better than say IROC or NASCAR, where all the cars are almost identical.
And I hate to predict this, I really do, but the manual clutch is going to go the way of the manual door lock and window. What's happening in racing now predicts it. And just reasoning it through, the few people who chose MTs 10 years ago are now split, some of which will chose the new "semi-auto" ATs making the call for clutch pedals even less in america, and drive them out of the market entirely - not to mention racers who see that the 60msec auto-clutch padel shift is just plain faster than a manual.
I honestly bought my Z thinking that this car is a really nice mix of new tech (traction control, AH, etc...) and old school muscle car, worthy of keeping a long time into the oh-so-uncertain future. Sorry to blogetize this thread. At least this is a little back on point...
I agree ^^ for myself. But when you really think about it, we like speed, right? I mean come on, our Z's have all kinds of things that make the car easier to drive fast, from syncros to power steering..We like that those things make the car faster for the average non-superhuman to drive. An automatic transmission up until about 5-10 years ago in supercars (and now most cars) was a detriment to speed. But now with DRG and paddles and double clutches and such, this stuff is making cars faster even for experts, all the way down to the new Evo...I think this is really a revolution. It's fun to watch....
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Agree with that comment completely. This thread isn't about one person's likes vs another person's likes. It's about technology in general and how today's cars are shaping what the future will be.
Re: Corvette Z06 vs. Nissan GT-R vs. Porsche 911 Turbo
The main reasons i believe the gtr and the turbo posted better times than the z06 was due to better launches out of the corners with their all wheel drive, and the z did'nt get to properly stretch its legs in this track. I'm subscriber to road and track for about 6 years and i mentioned to them in their website the same thing and they said that if all three cars wore slick tires then the z06 would win and if there were more straight the z06 would win again and probably in my opinion Millen was too intimidated in the zo6 as he mentioned in the magazine.
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