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Old 10-30-2007, 12:50 PM   #1 (permalink)
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A detailed look at GM's LS motor plans (LS9 too!)

A detailed look at GM's LS motor plans



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With so much incorrect information out there about GM's future LS motors, we though it would be a good time to query our sources and get the real deal. From the Cadillac CTS-V to the Corvette ZR1, we take a look at the LSA, LS7, LS8, LST, and LS9.

LS7
This is, of course, the current 7.0-liter, naturally aspirated motor in the Z06. It's handbuilt at GM's Wixom performance center and is very expensive to make. Too expensive with the LS9 motor coming. While there will be several months where the LS7 and LS9 will be built at Wixom, the LS7 will eventually die, probably sometime between late-2009 or mid-2010.
Several publications have repeatedly insisted the new CTS-V will be powered by the LS7, but this is completely false. GM cannot spend engineering dollars on a CTS-V to start with the LS7, then 12 to 18 months later, switch motors after the LS7 is discontinued. Rather, the super Caddy will feature an all-new powerplant.
LSA
The LSA will find its way under the hood of the 2009 Cadillac CTS-V. The LSA is a 6.2-liter, smallblock V8 with a supercharger. It features an intercooler integrated into the intake manifold.
Preliminary specs have it over 500 horsepower with a choice of manual or automatic transmissions. The CTS-V will start production in September of 2008 with this motor. Look for around 6000 to 8000 units annually.
Original plans also had the LSA going into an Escalade V-series truck. However justifying the development cost — not to mention CAFE considerations — might put possibility of such a truck in jeporady. At present, it is unclear whether the Escalade-V a truck is still part of the plan.
LS8
This is another 6.2-liter, smallblock V8 with a supercharger. It also features an intercooler integrated into the intake manifold. This will be the motor going into the top-end Zeta platform cars. The most premium Camaro, probably called Z28, will get this motor.
That said, original plans had this motor going into a Denali SUV or truck, however, those plans now seem to be canceled. Again, this maybe a result of CAFE.
Some of Holden's vehicles may also get this motor eventually. Initial specs have this motor at 475 to 500 horsepower with a choice of manual or automatic transmissions.
When the LS7 dies, the Z06 will get this motor. Possibly, slightly uptuned from the version the Zeta cars would get. This motor will start production in first or second quarter of 2010.
LST
Yet another 6.2-liter, smallblock V8 with a supercharger. It also features an intercooler integrated into the intake manifold. This motor may or may not still be in GM's plans. The original plan was to put it in GM's Heavy Duty trucks.
Delivering in excess of 450 pound-feet of torque, it was set to start in the middle of 2008. However, it now seems this motor may no longer be part of the plan. GM may have decided its diesel offerings were sufficient. It's also possible GM had a hard time justifying the cost of development. Of course, CAFE might have also played a role.
LS9
This is the 6.2-liter, smallblock V8 with a supercharger going into the ZR-1 Corvette. Like all the others, it has an intercooler integrated into the intake manifold. Original specs had this motor at 600 horsepower and 550 to 560 pound-feet of torque. It now seems the horsepower rating may have jumped to as much as 650.
If that's true, it would probably be safe to estimate a similar jump in torque to around 600 ft lbs. Sources have stated the LS9 can make 700hp on a test stand. Obviously though, that is without a car attached to the motor. Don't look for any production hp number starting with "seven."
It now appears an auto/paddle shift may also be an option on the ZR-1. This motor will be handbuilt at GM's Wixom performance center. They will only make 1500 to 2000 units a year. Production of the ZR-1 starts in July of 2008.
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Old 10-30-2007, 01:31 PM   #2 (permalink)
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This is the 6.2-liter, smallblock V8 with a supercharger going into the ZR-1 Corvette. Like all the others, it has an intercooler integrated into the intake manifold. Original specs had this motor at 600 horsepower and 550 to 560 pound-feet of torque. It now seems the horsepower rating may have jumped to as much as 650.
If that's true, it would probably be safe to estimate a similar jump in torque to around 600 ft lbs. Sources have stated the LS9 can make 700hp on a test stand. Obviously though, that is without a car attached to the motor. Don't look for any production hp number starting with "seven."
It now appears an auto/paddle shift may also be an option on the ZR-1. This motor will be handbuilt at GM's Wixom performance center. They will only make 1500 to 2000 units a year. Production of the ZR-1 starts in July of 2008.
OK ... now I have a reason to do a BG plant tour at Fest next Sept ...
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That's a lot of new motors. I guess that's good for us.
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Re: A detailed look at GM's LS motor plans (LS9 too!)

Good info JB!
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Re: A detailed look at GM's LS motor plans (LS9 too!)

Great info....

So,

Coupes and verts will have the LS3
Z06 will have the LS7 then the LS8
ZRx will have the LS9

So many choices!!!!
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Great info....

So,

Coupes and verts will have the LS3
Z06 will have the LS7 then the LS8
ZRx will have the LS9

So many choices!!!!
So few (& small) bank accounts!!!!
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So few (& small) bank accounts!!!!
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Old 10-31-2007, 06:12 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Re: A detailed look at GM's LS motor plans (LS9 too!)

I must have the LS7. Oh Cathy ....
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Re: A detailed look at GM's LS motor plans (LS9 too!)

Great info JB! Thanks for sharing with us.
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Re: A detailed look at GM's LS motor plans (LS9 too!)

dang.. don't know i like the idea of GM going with almost all supercharged motors for the future. I can't imagine the heat soak the car will get after a few hard passes. Personally, I like all my stuff to be all motor. I guess I need to get a LS7 Z06 before they get discontinued for the LS8
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Re: A detailed look at GM's LS motor plans (LS9 too!)

Personally I believe the 6.2 liter which presently produces 436hp could be an even better motor if it had direct injection..

Slap Direct injection on it and we should see another 10% more hp..lower emissions and better fuel economy..

475 hp would make for a hell of a base corvette motor..

I'd have to buy one.. at 44 to 48 grand.. with the Z51 and NPP exhaust..

I'm half tempted at the present 436hp version with Z51 and NPP exhaust for 44 grand..

I'm just holding out for as long as possible because I want a DSG tranny if GM ever produces a car with one..

If I never see or hear of another clutch pedal sticking it will be a day too soon.!

BIg power with superchargers is cool too.. I do like the bigger fenders and tires of the Z as well..

I think all corvettes should get that body work.. in the last few years of the C6.. I don't need it in carbon fiber.. or the hood scoop.. but I do like the fenders.. and tire combo.. (dump the runflat nonsense)

Tag that with the 475hp DI 6.2 (and DSG) and it would be unstoppable in the marketplace..

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Re: A detailed look at GM's LS motor plans (LS9 too!)

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Personally I believe the 6.2 liter which presently produces 436hp could be an even better motor if it had direct injection..

Slap Direct injection on it and we should see another 10% more hp..lower emissions and better fuel economy..

475 hp would make for a hell of a base corvette motor..

I'd have to buy one.. at 44 to 48 grand.. with the Z51 and NPP exhaust..

I'm half tempted at the present 436hp version with Z51 and NPP exhaust for 44 grand..

I'm just holding out for as long as possible because I want a DSG tranny if GM ever produces a car with one..

If I never see or hear of another clutch pedal sticking it will be a day too soon.!

BIg power with superchargers is cool too.. I do like the bigger fenders and tires of the Z as well..

I think all corvettes should get that body work.. in the last few years of the C6.. I don't need it in carbon fiber.. or the hood scoop.. but I do like the fenders.. and tire combo.. (dump the runflat nonsense)

Tag that with the 475hp DI 6.2 (and DSG) and it would be unstoppable in the marketplace..

Again..JMO !
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Re: A detailed look at GM's LS motor plans (LS9 too!)

Concur. $70k is too much.
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Re: A detailed look at GM's LS motor plans (LS9 too!)

anyone worry that having a S/C'd motor on what is essentially a "track" car will result in heatsoak and loss of HP due to computer taking out timing. Similar to what happens to the Ford GT, and Porche 911TT(ok turbo, but forced induction). I think bang for the buck, the FI motor makes sense. Modifying said motors should become less expensive as now your talking a pulley upgrade, ECU mods and your probably sitting on 100hp difference give or take. I just wonder if the track die hard guys will be let down :/
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Re: A detailed look at GM's LS motor plans (LS9 too!)

Anyone else notice how many new vehicles are getting FI of one kind or another? Great time to be a horsepower fan thats for sure!
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