How did they manage to run a 12.2@118 mph with that thing? I read an article in the latest issue of MT, they put the Gallardo, F430 F1, and 911 Turbo up against our Viper, ZO6 and GT.
The F430 really shined on the track according to the article, I just wish they put down better #'s with the C6 Z in the quarter mile. Everyone else including inexperienced drivers are trapping at 123-125 mph with it. I dont get it.
I guess it wouldnt be right for the cheapest car of the bunch to rape everything else including the $200k Ferrari on paper. I know and everyone else knows the F430 may get around a track half a second quicker considering its superior drivetrain layout, but a C6 Z should run with if not beat an F430 in a straightline.
Hell, I ran a F430 spider with my old cam (400/393 rwtq/hp) WITH a 150 lb passenger and 65 lbs of stereo that has since been ripped out AND WE WERE DEAD EVEN. Yeah the spider is a few hundred lbs heavier than the F1, but so was I and with considerably less power than a C6Z.
What a bad representation of the best bang for the buck supercar in the world.
Motor rag sux...I turned a 12.2@122.97 in 95* heat and 90% humidity with an awful DA at 3000 at beech bend two weeks ago. And I don't know how to drag race...
I ran a 12.46 @ 122.5 mph with a high 60' time in my one and only ever run with this car, at beech bend, same heat and humidity as siska. I think they had my 90 year old mom driving for the magazine! At least the C & D article had the Z running 11.7 @ 123.
I got the Mag yesterday and I felt the same way. They seem to be given lower and lower 0 -60 1/4 mile times on the new Z every time I pick up a car mag.
They have the new Z almost runnin times close to the new C6!!! I've seen like 0-60 in 4.2 @114. against the Mustang GT 5000 (no disrespect to C6 owners) but come on the Z's a lot faster, lighter etc.
I met a guy at a local car show with a new Z and he wanted to try drag racing and he admitted he was a bad driver, 1st time at a track and he posted a 12:01 @ 118. after two runs. He also said he had a friend drive the car who was a seasoed drag racer and his best of the day was 11.7 @ 126. There are 06 Z's all over the web posting those numbers. So where are they getting these numbers from. Are they starting out in 2nd gear??
I mean the GT, F430, 997tt numbers seem all in line. Are you thinking what I'am, that they just won't give the Z the credit it deserves. Oh yeh the say great performance for the money I'm getting sick of that statement in these stupid mags anyway. Even GM claims a 3.7 0-60 in their ads. Come on........
GET SOME GOOD DRIVERS. R&T MT
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I've never dirven a C6 Z but I'm sure it's extremly fast. My 03 Z is fast. I've recently picked up my F430 and honestly trying to compare a Z06 to F430 is like comparing apples and oranges. They are 2 different machines, I love them both. I've read the article and I didn' get the impression they were dissing the Z. Bottom line "bang for the buck" the Z06 is the best supercar on the planet! But it's not a Ferrari/Lambo or Porsche.
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I've never dirven a C6 Z but I'm sure it's extremly fast. My 03 Z is fast. I've recently picked up my F430 and honestly trying to compare a Z06 to F430 is like comparing apples and oranges. They are 2 different machines, I love them both. I've read the article and I didn' get the impression they were dissing the Z. Bottom line "bang for the buck" the Z06 is the best supercar on the planet! But it's not a Ferrari/Lambo or Porsche.
So what you are saying is that it not appropriate to say outright the C6 Z06 is every bit as quick as the F430 then?
Strange how even the Euro mags are stating these facts.
Why does it have to come down to "best for the money"?
Why can it not be judged on merit alone?
BTW - I chased down an F430 in a Caterham Superlight on a race track - so it seems in either car, if you donm't know how to use it you will be slow
Magazine review drivers often do what they call "street starts", not max performance drag race launches. They may not even spin the tires to clean em. No burnout. No high RPM clutch dump. No power shifting.
60 ft times are usually unpublished. These things can explain a ~1/2 sec., ~8 mph difference.
Is the car capable of more? Certainly, and we all know that. Then again, so are the other cars tested.
GM claimed a 0-60 time of 3.9 secs for the C5 Z on street tires, as shipped. However, few have ever been able to duplicate it, at least on stock tires.
I'm not saying they didn't do it, but that it was a given car on a given day, on a given track, under given conditions, with a given driver. In addition, many if not all of those factors were likely nominal. Therefore one can't claim that all C5 Z's can do 0-60 in 3.9 secs. A typical (and more realistic) 0-60 time is 4.3-4.5 secs.
It's called marketing. Something GM is very good at.
[quote=RC45]So what you are saying is that it not appropriate to say outright the C6 Z06 is every bit as quick as the F430 then?
I never said that at all, I just said there 2 different machines. When it comes to posting performance numbers I pretty confident its probably going to come down to the driver.
I've never dirven a C6 Z but I'm sure it's extremly fast. My 03 Z is fast. I've recently picked up my F430 and honestly trying to compare a Z06 to F430 is like comparing apples and oranges. They are 2 different machines, I love them both. I've read the article and I didn' get the impression they were dissing the Z. Bottom line "bang for the buck" the Z06 is the best supercar on the planet! But it's not a Ferrari/Lambo or Porsche.
Thanks for your input. You may want to take a drive in a New Z and then compare.
Of course it comes down to the driver, all else being equal, which is rare. More importantly, it depends on how the cars were driven.
I doubt they did a high RPM clutch dump and powershifted the F430. Likewise they may not have done so with the Z either. The best times are achieved when one does those things, at least in the vette. Again, those factors can easily explain the performance differential when compared to a private owners times who does do them.
In effect one has to hammer on the car to get the best times, which is something mags usually don't do. Hence the times and mph are going to be slower than someone who does.
So, which is the more fair comparison: treating each car equally or hammering on one in order to get the best time but not the others? The answer should be obvious.
I just flipped through the pages of an article in which MOTOR TREND pitted a stock C6 Z up against a LPE C6, a Hennessey Viper, a Livernois Mustang, an MTI GTO, and a Accufab GT.
THE ZO6 RAN A 12.0@123.5 MPH IN THIS ARTICLE. Same publisher, but months later it is mysteriously down a few tenths and 5 mph.
Im starting to think what another member here said is true, there has been some influence from Ferrari in this article. I dont know if it was a large sum of money or what.
Like I said, different day, different car, different track, different conditions, different driver and maybe they just didn't drive it as hard.
Magazine reviews are not absolute performance tests. They are not trying to get the absolute best times a given car can run.
Does anyone actually believe they drive a Ferrari to its absolute limits? Which car are you most likely to drive harder, a Ferrari or a Corvette? Ah, the Vette you say? You'd probably be right but that wouldn't be a very fair comparison would it?
Are they (or you) going to push an Enzo or F430 to the max (assuming one even has the ability)? Hell no! Then why push the vette to its absolute limit?
Some complain the mag tests are often biased or unfair. Perhaps they are, but it likely isn't for the reasons I've seen here.
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I'm getting sick of that statement in these stupid mags anyway. Even GM claims a 3.7 0-60 in their ads. Come on........
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