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Old 02-05-2005, 07:33 PM   #1 (permalink)
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C6 Z06 in Houston and the...

the lasting legacy of the Goons...

I saw the car in person today.

It has little visual presence. It has some awesome specs, but doesn't excite at all.

The C5 was a pretty bland car.. the C5 Z06 shares some of that blandness. However, the unique FRC/trunk profile was a bold enough styling departure from the bland fast back that it has a "love it or leave it" effect on those who see it.

This bold styling statement, needed the goods to back it up - and so we see phenominal sales success for the FRC once it became the Z06 package.

The C6 Z has the opposite problem the FRC had - the C6 Z has the power, but no unique style...(wow - sounds like another ZR1 ) and might be over priced. The FRC was "unique" but lacked the power.

After they added power to the FRC, they had a winner... The C6 Z now needs the lloks to back up the power.

The C6 Z just doesn't carry the presence it should.

On a totally different tack, I tried to see what the GM Show staff's views/opinions/knowledge on the "Goons and the Z06 pictures" episode were... and see if somehow a possible sympathetic/understanding view may allow a quick slide behind the wheel of the car.

Alas... the attractive Hooters waitress presenting the car, and the Ken doll "manning" the brochure booth were of the opinion that as I stole the images I got what I deserved..

Needless to say, that didn't translate into a chance to get in the car - but rather a typical "i am not permitted blah blah blah policy this and that blah blah corporate blah" :laughing:

Seems that the story making the rounds inside GM and it's affiliates is rather far from the truth and what they admitted to in the Wall Street Journal.







Truth be known.. the following cars did more visually for me than the C6 Z...



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Old 02-06-2005, 09:30 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Nice pictures - you actually made the C6Z look good in one. (the very first pic) Where they actually aware of the goon story? I figure on the inside GM would have corrupted the whole thing into you being a sleeper cell terrorist.

I agree with your comments, but to be honest - I'd look past the problems if the price didn't skyrocket into ZR1 territory. Let's just wait for the used car market to grab ahold of it.

Funnier yet would be a faster version of the Z06 in the next production year.
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Old 02-07-2005, 04:58 AM   #3 (permalink)
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The FRC is not unique to the C5 Z06 alone. (remember 99,00)

The new Z06 is twice the car........no denying it.
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The FRC is not unique to the C5 Z06 alone. (remember 99,00)

The new Z06 is twice the car........no denying it.
I never said the FRC was unique to the Z06... in fact, if you had of read my piece you would have noted how I credited the FRC profile to the pre-Z06 model..

..I will admit it was a little tricky to read as it was implied by saying "The FRC was "unique" but lacked the power. After they added power to the FRC, they had a winner... " - but it was mentioned - as I am intimately aware of the nuances of Corvette history.

But the C6 Z06 is by no stretch of anyones imagination, Twice the Car... 1.2 times maybe.. but not 2 times..
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I'll grant you the Houston display did not evoke images of a modern Grand Sport, however, if the car had been displayed flat instead of canted it may have looked meaner.

I thought for a true super car it looks clean and purposeful like the C6 R.

This is going to be a hell of a track car and I'm really excited about getting one.
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I'll grant you the Houston display did not evoke images of a modern Grand Sport, however, if the car had been displayed flat instead of canted it may have looked meaner.

I thought for a true super car it looks clean and purposeful like the C6 R.

This is going to be a hell of a track car and I'm really excited about getting one.
The angle you view the car does make a difference.

When I went driving with Garrett I commented on how nice the C6 looks in the rear view mirror and from behind at the Corvette driver level.

And this is what really counts - right? Not so much what it looks like on static display.

I sometimes have trouble seperating my utter dispising hatred for GM the company - and GM the policy, from the car that is the Corvette..
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[quote=RC45]the lasting legacy of the Goons...


"The C5 was a pretty bland car.. the C5 Z06 shares some of that blandness. However, the unique FRC/trunk profile was a bold enough styling departure from the bland fast back that it has a "love it or leave it" effect on those who see it."

I have to agree with the above statement. I just love the old Mopars, especially that red 1968 Charger. The practice of applying as much effort into styling as well as HP resulted in some pretty awesome cars in the late 60's and early 70's.

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I never said the FRC was unique to the Z06... in fact, if you had of read my piece you would have noted how I credited the FRC profile to the pre-Z06 model..

..I will admit it was a little tricky to read as it was implied by saying "The FRC was "unique" but lacked the power. After they added power to the FRC, they had a winner... " - but it was mentioned - as I am intimately aware of the nuances of Corvette history.

But the C6 Z06 is by no stretch of anyones imagination, Twice the Car... 1.2 times maybe.. but not 2 times..
The proof will be seen on the street. I think when you see a C5-Z06 next to a C6-Z06 even you will be very suprised. Both are great cars but the new one will get arrested for "steroid abuse" !!!
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The proof will be seen on the street. I think when you see a C5-Z06 next to a C6-Z06 even you will be very suprised. Both are great cars but the new one will get arrested for "steroid abuse" !!!
I don't think so... when I go on a drive with my Houston buddies.. there are enough cars with more RWHP than the C6-Z has at the crank to bump it into the also-ran category..

And besides - the rest of us with the "cheap old version" actually spend time driving our cars - whereas the new "pricier" Z06 will be squarely in the "too expensive to put miles on it so I polish it" category..
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It's not all about what you have as it's really about whether or not "you" know how to use what you have !! In Corvettes we trust !!

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But the C6 Z06 is by no stretch of anyones imagination, Twice the Car... 1.2 times maybe.. but not 2 times..
I'd agree with that.
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