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Old 02-07-2005, 08:42 PM   #1 (permalink)
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The Pros and Cons of a 60mph First Gear

So let's start with some conjecture hear. Not about the 60mph, that is explicit in the literature. About the gearing and power curve.

For the power curve, I will rely on Car and Driver and the published specs. Those spec show 443hp at the torque peak, 500hp @6200, and C&D showed around 450hp at the 7000rpm redline.

For gear...a little conjecture. Transmission technologies lists only one T-56 with a high enough torque rating for the Z06. It has the same ratios as the Viper and the standard C6. So the assumption is that is the transmission. Of course, the C6Z may have custom gearing.

For the rear end, to hit 60 with a 2.66 first gear you would need a 3.15 rear. And it just so happens that this combo, with a 1.30 gear, would hit 127 in third. What a coincidence!

Now, the pros and the cons. The C6Z has a very flat power curve. for the top 30% of the rev range the power varies only about 12%. And it is the same at the redline as after the shift. Put in another way, you have the same acceleration in 2nd at the redline as you do in 3rd after the shift.

So, as long as you are in that range, it really doesn't help much to have additional gears. Once you hit the mid-4k range, assuming your tires are hooked up, nothing is really lost in the gearing. The question is, will you spin the tires until 40mph?

For road courses, that gearbox has a tighter spread from 2-3, 3-4, and 4-5 (23-27%). Those would be the gears you'd use and that box will give you a fair amount of flexibility.

Cons, cons...oh, yes, the cons. Well, I can think of four. First is that traction thing. If you hook up sooner, first gear is a little tall.

Second, the gap on the 1-2 shift of that box--2.66 to 1.78, over a 33% drop--is a little steep. Dropping the power a little further.

Third, fifth gear is along for the ride. With a huge 32+% drop between gears.

Fourth, if you modify the car, and more than a few should get header and cam upgrades, the power curve will continue climbing higher. The drop between gears will be significant, and that tall first and big 1-2 drop will be more of an issue.

Some of this may be mitigated by a little gearing legerdemain. A shift to a 3.73 or 3.90 rear gear should make this a complete 4-gear 1/4 mile car for a lightly modified (132 and 139 trap speed respectively) C6Z. Wow, it is hard to believe those may be numbers for a lightly modified car!

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Old 02-07-2005, 08:51 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Most of your facts are flawed.

2.66 1st gear with a 3.42 rear axle and a 325/30/19 tire will give a speed of over 60 at 7000 RPM

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Old 02-07-2005, 10:28 PM   #3 (permalink)
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You're partially right. I did have an error. The tire as a 325/25-19. However the combined change is neutral to the other calculations. Isn't math fun?

It would also mean the ratios to change to are a little different. It would need a 4.10 in a modified car to run through 4th in the 1/4 mile. And you may only get 125 in 3rd.

Otherwise...everything stands.
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Old 02-08-2005, 08:27 AM   #4 (permalink)
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0-60 is such a worthless measure it bugs me manufacturers bend over backwards to make their cars fast up to 60. Take a look at the new F430 speeds in gears...that is what the Z06 should have done.
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Old 02-08-2005, 09:27 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I agree....the whole 0-60 thing is SO blown out of proportion...look at Subaru. From a roll, those things can be total dogs...but everyone quotes their 0-60 times. Hell, those WRX's only put down 170 hp to the wheels and they weigh 3,200+ lbs. 0-60 in 5.6 sec. doesnt tell the WHOLE story.

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Old 02-08-2005, 11:18 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I agree....the whole 0-60 thing is SO blown out of proportion...look at Subaru. From a roll, those things can be total dogs...but everyone quotes their 0-60 times. Hell, those WRX's only put down 170 hp to the wheels and they weigh 3,200+ lbs. 0-60 in 5.6 sec. doesnt tell the WHOLE story.

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Where lag dogs the turbo cars (there are Supra slips with a 5 second reaction time), the Z has a traction limitation. When does a 450-550 rwhp C5Z hookup?

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Z06Lover, one of the points is that the C6Z, at least a stock C6Z, is nowhere near as peaky as an F430. At least in stock form. So, making the gear spacing 20% or so will have less impact on acceleration. It would still enhance flexibilty a bit.
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I would much rather have a close ratio gear box that tops out right around 200 in 6th instead of a 5 longer gears because 6 is pretty much useless except for when cruising. This is a super car...who cars about gas mileage.
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I would much rather have a close ratio gear box that tops out right around 200 in 6th instead of a 5 longer gears because 6 is pretty much useless except for when cruising. This is a super car...who cars about gas mileage.

no, 6th is just completely useless

a 5th to 160 or so and 6th to 205 would have been nice
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I would much rather have a close ratio gear box that tops out right around 200 in 6th instead of a 5 longer gears because 6 is pretty much useless except for when cruising. This is a super car...who cars about gas mileage.
I think you're forgetting about the Gas Guzzler Tax. Without 6th gear our tax rate would jump significantly.
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Old 02-08-2005, 11:35 AM   #10 (permalink)
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I think you're forgetting about the Gas Guzzler Tax. Without 6th gear our tax rate would jump significantly.
No, I didn't forget about it. The fact is you are buying a 65k+ car a little gas guzzler tax isn't going to make a dent in that amount of cash. Also, for the used market no one cares about it since it has already been paid. Is the C6Z06 competing against super cars or the prius??
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No, I didn't forget about it. The fact is you are buying a 65k+ car a little gas guzzler tax isn't going to make a dent in that amount of cash. Also, for the used market no one cares about it since it has already been paid. Is the C6Z06 competing against super cars or the prius??

When you can have a great mix of both worlds, why wouldn't you want it?

Ever notice how most Ferraris have ridiculously low mileage on them? Well, you gotta wonder if they'd log a few more joyrides if you could accomplish better than 13 mpg on the highway in them.
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i highly doubt ferrari owners don't take out their cars that often because of the gas costs. so the line of wealth goes civic, v6, vette, ferrari, suburban?
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i highly doubt ferrari owners don't take out their cars that often because of the gas costs. so the line of wealth goes civic, v6, vette, ferrari, suburban?
I would add Tahoe in front of Suburban.
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Of course there are other factors, but I bet the cost of gas does come into consideration...

I just can't figure out why you guys are so against making this a well-rounded, complete, street car....
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Of course there are other factors, but I bet the cost of gas does come into consideration...

I just can't figure out why you guys are so against making this a well-rounded, complete, street car....
everybody's gotta have somethin to bitch about.

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