Nurburgring times for the 2008 ZR1? Skyline GTR faster than the C5 Z06??

[Reverend Nasty]

Anyone know if they ever ran the 2008 ZR1 on the Nurburgring (Nordschleife lap) while they were tuning it in Germany? If so, what was it's official lap time? I have an ignorant acquaintance telling me the ZR1 isn't a true super car until it releases a time on the ring.

Doing some research on car manufacturers' released Nordschleife lap times, there doesn't appear to be an regulations in place to ensure fair competition among them so a nice cold day and slicks could definitely skew data in their favor. This disproves my acquaintance's claim that these ring times hold any true weight. I'm having a hard time believing that Nissan's 4 seater "pig" of a car is faster than the C5 Z06's official lap time let alone speculations that it will beat the new ZR1!

I just want proof that the ZR1 beats up on the 2008 Skyline GTR's Nordschleife lap time of 7:38 so I can shut him up. :cool: I'm also skeptical that it also bested the C5 Z06's run as well.

Here is the video of the GTR's run.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGe_fyhQazg


Your thoughts?

[JBsZ06]

Was the GTR from a dead stop?
Did the GTR run the full track?
Was the GTR running on stock street tires?
Was the GTR "tuned" or production ready?

I don't believe the 7.38 times being reported by Nissan. Nissan has a long history of streeeeetching the truth about how its GTR runs at the track...

Nice car all the same....but I wouldn't count on 7.38 times.... at the Nurburgring as a comparative time to other sports cars..

[Reverend Nasty]

I found a claim that one of their engineers confirmed they were using cut slicks. Beyond the tires, it also appears the car was in fact modified beyond it's current prototype levels of performance for the sake of better times for this time attack. This run was also performed by Nissan solely instead of an independent source so who knows if they even remotely followed Chevy's or other credible car manufacturers' format for Nordschleife time attacks. Their time holds no water at this point. If anyone does has a Nordschleife time attack for the new ZR1 though please let me know.

[No Doubt]

Where did Nissan claim a laptime of 7:38? That time was taken from an in-car video but was not a full lap, although that is typical.

The only statement I've seen from Nissan concerning Nordschleife laptimes is as follows.....

"Nissan Chief Engineer Kazutoshi Mizuno stated the GT-R ran laps of 7:44 and up on the Nordschleife."

Source: Autoweek, Oct 29th, 2007

I believe the tires used were Bridgestone Potenza REO70R's having a normal treadwear rating of 90, but he stated they were slightly shaved. However, he also said the track was not entirely dry. Note: Dunlop all-season tires will also be an option on the production car in addition to the Potenza's mentioned.

Nordschleife timing laps are almost always done from a flying start.


Edit: added link to ...

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...anel..1 .*#40

[Reverend Nasty]

No Doubt,

The URL you referenced claims 7:38 as well. I also found it referenced on Nissan's site. If those numbers are accurate that's a very impressive machine even though I find it to be very fugly and too heavy for my tastes. I'll stick to my vette's styling and heritage.

http://honda-portal.com/honda-videos.php?video_id=662

[No Doubt]

You're right, it does make mention of the 7:38 time. However, one can't dismiss the 7:44 and up times quoted either. Therefore it would appear there is a discrepency in the times.

One can only guess as to why. Perhaps the fastest time was on the shaved tires and who knows what other modications - that may or may not make their way into production. Maybe the slower times were the production version on street tires. Or, the 7:38 time was, as seen on the video, short of the starting point, which is typical for Nurburgring time attack runs and the slower time was a full lap. Who knows.

Either way the car is fast. Not only that, but having an advanced AWD system it will perform very well even in rain or snow.

[SonOfaDragRacer]

Well, I don't know much abt Road Racing, "The Ring"..I only know two things..
1. "GO"...Keep'er straight..shift, shift, hang on, pull shoot, hit fuel shut off, get on the brakes..oh and TURN LEFT..LOL..
2. My C5 ZO6 w/LS2 402 N/A put so many links on my buddy's SkyLine (Tommy Kiara edition) in a drag race it was even funny...heavy car..but man we go somewhere and everybody jus freaks..."Ohhhh its a SKYLINE, Oooooo"..
I don't think my C5Z dose'nt look bad either..I jus don't get it...


Andy

[No Doubt]

Well, an 02' Tommy Kaira edition Skyline R-34 has 420 bhp and a top speed of 155 mph and does 0-60 in 4.2 secs and the 1/4 in ~12.2 @ 112.

The new GT-R is a different animal, with 480 hp @ 6,800 rpm and 430 lb-ft torque @ 3,200–5,200 rpm. 0-62 mph comes in 3.5 seconds and the 1/4 mile in 11.7 with a topspeed of 193 mph, according to Nissan.

Not to mention its all-weather and four passenger capability.

Not too bad, except for the fact it's a Nissan.

Just wait till the Japanese aftermarket/tuners get a hold of it. We might need to carry some real Tupperware in our trunks to put the bits n' pieces in.

[JBsZ06]

My wife wants me to sell my Z to buy the silver GTR in this months motor trend magazine..

AWD/Dual clutch/2 + 2 seating..

I still think the performance stats are BullSh!t.. I'd say the various test results on any of the previous GTR's are not exactly real.

Nissan is known to exagerate on its test data of this car ...in the past..

[ZO6 AL-X]

I'm sure that car didn't use stock tires with a stock tune. One thing's for sure, the new GTR gives the C6Z and 997 turbo a run for their money - stock v. stock, of course.

Nissan has another hit in their hands.

[novetteyet]

I had always sort of guessed that some element of these fantastic 'ring times comes down to how big of a pair the driver has. This is one of, if not the, most unforgiving course in the world, and it has more widely varied driving situations than found basically *anywhere*. It places demands on the car and the driver that are unheard of on any other track. Blind turns after the car unweights over a crest.... multi-km long straights... getting all 4 wheels off the ground - you name it. You need balls of titanium to starting doing these sorts of times in *any* street car, I think. I've driven a pretty good simulated version of the track in GTR2, and it's a nasty, unforgiving, and brutal thing. I can't imagine doing it in real life with your a** on the line.

I also suspect the 7:3x isn't in the showroom stock configuration. But even calling it 7:50 is still pretty impressive. I have little doubt that it will be quite a serious car. The more the merrier. I'd rather have those on the road than Yet Another Bloated SUV.

I wish Chevy shipped Vettes with better rubber, at least as an option. Porsche and Ferrari and whomever ship with these really soft sticky tires, and we get runcraps. Makes us look bad in certain comparisons. I keep reading these things like, "... and the Corvette had the worst skidpad numbers of the lot", and I think, "well, that ain't coz of the suspension - it's on harder rubber than what you put it up against."

[novetteyet]

Yeah, completely agreed.

I always thought maybe they could just make it an option, so there'd be a way to get something reasonable for stock-vs-stock tests. Plus, after experiencing better tires on my car, I'd order it that way from the factory if I could! I'd find it hard to go back.

[ZO6 AL-X]

I wouldn't mind owning this car if it's an 11 second car in the 1/4, in stock form. Not my primary car, of course.

[jose wuey]

You know guys the corvette might be an american tradition but the NISSAN GT-R Skyline is FASTER and Sexxy too. You see a corvette so much it loses it's sexieness. To me it seems that you guys are just hatting on the GT-R and that you're afraid of loosing to a tt V6. Just face it it's got more technology than the vette do more research on it and you will see how much better it is than the corvette, it's a four seater too. Just remember it was made to beat the PORSCHE not the Vette. And the best thing of all is that it's a NISSAN.

The URL you referenced claims 7:38 as well. I also found it referenced on Nissan's site. If those numbers are accurate that's a very impressive machine even though I find it to be very fugly and too heavy for my tastes. I'll stick to my vette's styling and heritage.

Nissan GT-R runs a 7:38 at Nurburgring - Honda Videos[/quote]

[vant]

Welcome Jose. I think you'll find that most people here are automotive enthusiasts first, and Corvette fans second.

Do you own a Skyline or are you just a fan?