Boy, there's alot of insecure Viper owners there . . . . .
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Given 2 days in the new 600hp Viper at the same track on DRs, I'm sure he can replicate that feat. Maybe hit 10.80??
And if it hits a 10.80 The Z06 still has the upper hand over the viper, 505hp running a 10.80. Unless the Viper runs a 10.50 or lower with DR. I would still be disapointed. Motor Week tested the car this past week, they got the Viper to run a 11.9 and a 0-60 3.7 and they said it took them most of the day to get it that low......not looking to good. All I can say is a 100 less hp. stock and the Z06 is a faster car.
The Viper's faults :
Heavy...period.
V-10.....its the car's achilles heel...
The motor makes good power and abundance of torque..but its very heavy..Dodge needs to wake up and abandon that damn V-10 heavy slug and run a big cubed aluminum Hemi..Light'n the car up overall and they have a runner....But w/V-10 ego's they refuse to see the old rules that made them a legend at the DragStrip...
Other unkikeable qualities :
Side pipes w/UPS Truck sound.
Heat and crapmped driver compartment.
ACR does look good though..and I have alot of Viper buddies...I take them for a ride in the Widowmaker and their like ...
Andy
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Heavy? Compared to what, a Miata? The vette is heavy compared to a Miata as well. And a Z06 has yet to run a 10.80 even on drag radials, with all else stock, so it's a moot point.
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Dodge needs to wake up and abandon that damn V10 heavy slug and run a big cubed aluminum Hemi.
The normally aspirated '08 Dodge V10 already has 510 cubic inches and is 50 state emissions legal. If it were a N/A hemi V-8 with equal or more displacement and producing the same or more horsepower and torque, it may not be. I'm reasonably certain Dodge engineers came to the same conclusion.
Then again, maybe they used the V10 because 10 is simply a greater number than 8 and no other reason.
And if it hits a 10.80 The Z06 still has the upper hand over the viper, 505hp running a 10.80. Unless the Viper runs a 10.50 or lower with DR. I would still be disapointed. Motor Week tested the car this past week, they got the Viper to run a 11.9 and a 0-60 3.7 and they said it took them most of the day to get it that low......not looking to good. All I can say is a 100 less hp. stock and the Z06 is a faster car.
No its not. C&D, a far more reputable magazine with fully disclosed testing procedures ran a 11.6 @ 126 and a 3.5, a better ET and higher trap speed than the Z-06. It lapped Grattan .5 seconds faster and VIR .8 seconds faster.
In 1977 I drove a Dodge dump truck with the same V10 that is in the Viper today. GM, on the other hand, has developed the LS1, LS6, LS2, LS3, LS7, and now the LS9 for Corvettes since 1997. Can Dodge say that?
Heavy? Compared to what, a Miata? The vette is heavy compared to a Miata as well. And a Z06 has yet to run a 10.80 even on drag radials, with all else stock, so it's a moot point.
The normally aspirated '08 Dodge V10 already has 510 cubic inches and is 50 state emissions legal. If it were a N/A hemi V-8 with equal or more displacement and producing the same or more horsepower and torque, it may not be. I'm reasonably certain Dodge engineers came to the same conclusion.
Then again, maybe they used the V10 because 10 is simply a greater number than 8 and no other reason.
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Dodge heavy compared to ZO6.
We're not dicussing a Miata. Anybody can build a go kart.
10.80..not yet, but getting close.
I promise they can have a Aluminum Hemi w/more cubes and emissions legal.
They won't abandon the idea of the V-10 because of production cost right now and ego's to a degree...
Weather its GM / Ford / Dodge it all boils down to $$$$ in the long run..
BTW "NO DOUBT" I enjoy some of your info and view points..quite informative...but, give me some credit..I've been down around racing for lil bit in my life..esp the Drag Strip..Things that I post are not ony my views but I'm privledged enough to have comments and have learned frm some "legends" in the sport..thanks...
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I agree "ProExpert"...1977 V10 Truck block = HEAVY...
The 'compared to a Miata' was sarcasm, a tongue in cheek comment. Anyway, the Viper is faster than a Z06. Although not by much, it's still faster, even though it's heavier.
As far as building an all aluminum hemi with >510 cubic inches and keeping it emissions legal, I suppose they could, but they may need to employ forced induction. And if they did it wouldn't really be a Viper anymore, but rather something else. A name is just that, a name, and they can call a car anything they want. However, since Vipers have always had the V10 it would be a radical departure. It would in effect be a completely different car with the same name.
In addition, a Viper with an aluminum hemi V8 and over 510 cubic inches would not necessarily weigh that much less, especially if using forced induction. For example, look at the speculated weight of the ZR1 even with it's all aluminum 6.2 liter LS9 and supercharger.
I will agree that you never know though, as the Mopar engineers have always been rather inventive.
Most, if not all, magazine tests of the '08 Viper have it slightly faster than a Z06. Of course those are magazine tests and not real world examples.
And no, I have not raced against an '08 Viper. Have you?
I could put my mother (or you for that matter ) in a Viper (any year) and I'd win every time.
ps: Since we're talking about the 2008 Viper and Viper ACR here I should have said "Anyway, the '08 Viper is faster than a Z06. Although not by much, it's still faster, even though it's heavier."
Most, if not all, magazine tests of the '08 Viper have it slightly faster than a Z06. Of course those are magazine tests and not real world examples.
And no, I have not raced against an '08 Viper. Have you?
No, I haven't raced against an '08 Viper....then again, I'm not the one that made the definative statement "the Viper is faster than a Z06". Usually that type of statement is made from personal experience, not 'magazine comparisons'.
I'll withhold my judgement on this until I have had the chance to run against one.
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I could put my mother (or you for that matter) in a Viper (any year) and I'd win every time.
I'm not sure there's a car you could put me in and beat me...I could be wrong
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All I can say is a 100 less hp. stock and the Z06 is a faster car.
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