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Old 06-19-2005, 07:07 PM   #1 (permalink)
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F1 US Grand Prix In Indy!!

What a terrible decision and situation for the fans who attended the F1 race in Indy?! You wait all year for F1 to come to the States, and they pull this crap.

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Sorry, didn't see the post by Subdriver in Misc.

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Old 06-19-2005, 07:12 PM   #2 (permalink)
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What would be your solution?
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Old 06-19-2005, 07:45 PM   #3 (permalink)
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What would be your solution?
It's too late to change the race decision now. The problem stems from a new rule this year allowing only one set of tires for the complete race, including practice and qualifying. Look what happened to Kimi's tire two races ago on the final lap! There is talk about going to one tire manufacturer for everyone....don't think it's going to be Michelin. The FIA should have delayed the race until a more suitable solution could be reached, but a mute point now. Dave will have it figured out on Wind Tunnel.

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Old 06-20-2005, 02:11 PM   #4 (permalink)
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No points for the Michelin shod cars, run the race with a chicane, end of solution. Pretty simple, I think. Everyone races, yet the Bridgestone cars are not penalized for bringing the appropriate tires.
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Old 06-20-2005, 02:14 PM   #5 (permalink)
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You can't race on an unsafe tire and you have to consider the audience and sponsors since they are paying the way. I would have allowed the replacement tires from Michelin and run the race.
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Old 06-20-2005, 04:40 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Cancel the race, refund the money to the spectators, sponsors & vendors and get F1 to get their crap together before they allowed to put on another event in the states.
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Old 06-20-2005, 04:57 PM   #7 (permalink)
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If you really want to piss some europeans off, hold a supreme court ruling regarding the event. Convict the FIA of fraud - demand settlement & refunds for all attending fans.
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Old 06-20-2005, 05:08 PM   #8 (permalink)
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You should check out the thread in the Misc section too. 4 pages of discussion about this.
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Old 06-20-2005, 05:27 PM   #9 (permalink)
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From SpeedTV.com News.

I on the other hand am leaving for Cleveland to race in the next World Challenge event this weekend. See you at the races.

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PS, Isn't Michelin a French tire Mfg? If so then they just waved the "White Flag" and surrendered again.

FIA Statement on USGP
Written by: Adam Cooper
Indianapolis, Ind. – 6/20/2005 The following statement was released Monday morning by the FIA, Formula’ 1’s governing body, regarding the controversy at the U.S. Grand Prix that led to the withdrawal of the 14 Michelin-tired cars before the start:

"Formula 1 is a sporting contest. It must operate to clear rules. These cannot be negotiated each time a competitor brings the wrong equipment to a race.

At Indianapolis, we were told by Michelin that their tires would be unsafe unless their cars were slowed in the main corner. We understood and among other suggestions offered to help them by monitoring speeds and penalizing any excess. However, the Michelin teams refused to agree unless the Bridgestone runners were slowed by the same amount. They suggested a chicane.

The Michelin teams seemed unable to understand that this would have been grossly unfair as well as contrary to the rules. The Bridgestone teams had suitable tires. They did not need to slow down. The Michelin teams’ lack of speed through turn 13 would have been a direct result of inferior equipment, as often happens in Formula 1. It must also be remembered that the FIA wrote to all of the teams and both tire manufacturers on June 1, 2005, to emphasise that “tires should be built to be reliable under all circumstances” (see correspondence on www.fia.com).

A chicane would have forced all cars, including those with tires optimized for high-speed, to run on a circuit whose characteristics had changed fundamentally – from ultra-high speed (because of turn 13) to very slow and twisting. It would also have involved changing the circuit without following any of the modern safety procedures, possibly with implications for the cars and their brakes. It is not difficult to imagine the reaction of an American court had there been an accident (whatever its cause) with the FIA having to admit it had failed to follow its own rules and safety procedures.

The reason for this debacle is clear. Each team is allowed to bring two types of tire: one an on-the-limit potential race winner, the other a back-up which, although slower, is absolutely reliable. Apparently, none of the Michelin teams brought a back-up to Indianapolis. They subsequently announced they were flying in new tires from France but then claimed that these too were unsafe.

What about the American fans? What about Formula 1 fans world-wide? Rather than boycott the race, the Michelin teams should have agreed to run at reduced speed in turn 13. The rules would have been kept, they would have earned Championship points and the fans would have had a race. As it is, by refusing to run unless the FIA broke the rules and handicapped the Bridgestone runners, they have damaged themselves and the sport.

It should also be made clear that Formula One Management and Indianapolis Motor Speedway, as commercial entities, can have no role in the enforcement of the rules."

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The good news is the Cleveland Champ Car/WC GT race is honoring the F1 tickets for their event.
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boycott michelin...

Another idea.
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Old 06-20-2005, 08:32 PM   #12 (permalink)
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boycott michelin...

Another idea.

I agree.

Perelli, Bridgestone, and Toyo are all excellent choices.

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boycott michelin...

Another idea.
YOU SAID IT!!!!!!
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"Formula 1 is a sporting contest. It must operate to clear rules. These cannot be negotiated each time a competitor brings the wrong equipment to a race."

I've got to agree with F1 on this one. Michelin really screwed up here.
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I agree.

Perelli, Bridgestone, and Toyo are all excellent choices.

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It's just too bad that Michelin makes the best street tire for our car (PS2).

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