Anybody have any ideas on how fast those new Cobra's are? I'm a little dissapoointed that for $35k you can get a supercharged Mustang that'll put you in the 12's, beating a stock and already fast enough LS1 C5. Supercharging is cheating in my opinion, (you can put a supercharger on anything,) but it's still better than the gas I guess!
I'm thinking that they can't really compare to the Z06's - anybody have any more info on them?
They are pretty fast. I just read an mod article in Mustang's and Fast Fords with long tube headers and exhaust system and a modified chip........435 RWHP!
Originally posted by bigvette Anybody have any ideas on how fast those new Cobra's are? I'm a little dissapoointed that for $35k you can get a supercharged Mustang that'll put you in the 12's, beating a stock and already fast enough LS1 C5. Supercharging is cheating in my opinion, (you can put a supercharger on anything,) but it's still better than the gas I guess!
I'm thinking that they can't really compare to the Z06's - anybody have any more info on them?
They are pretty quick stock, they will not beat a Z stock. However most are modding them for about a grand and you can expect roughly 500 gross with the 1000 in mods. As with the Z too much throttle on take off and the tires roast. I feel my modded Cobra is an equal match in the 1/4 for my modded Z. The 600 or more lbs that the Cobra has really affects braking and handling, while it is no slouch in most arenas it is heavily hampered by that weight. I don't know if a supercharger is cheating or not, but if it is perhaps top fuel dragsters ought to be punished.
Happy hunting.,
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Originally posted by bigvette Supercharging is cheating in my opinion, (you can put a supercharger on anything,) but it's still better than the gas I guess!
I'm thinking that they can't really compare to the Z06's - anybody have any more info on them?
Have to disagree here.
Supercharging, turbocharging and nitrous oxide are not cheating. You CANNOT "put them on anything" and just make gobs of reliable power. It has to be a well-engineered combination to run fast AND reliable. Anyone CAN bolt one on and blow up the motor, however.
Ford engineered the motor in the new Cobra and Lightning specifically for a positive displacement blower. This is not cheating.
Oh, I guess it is if we lose to one, but the only whining is done by the losers (whoever that may be).
Nitrous on a high compression motor (like the Z06) makes a LOT of sense.
All forced induction should be setup and tuned by someone who knows what they're doing. If you don't, then you may get burned (pun intended).
All this being said, at the same track on the same day, a bone stock '03 Cobra will be .5 slower and 4-5mph slower than a bone stock '02+ Z06. They have a lot of mod potential for a relatively low cost, so that is very appealing.
Having driven one (and having owned a number of late model Mustangs), I can without a doubt say that the Z06 is the better performing car (straight line, handling, braking)...if you can live with a 2-seater. If you need a backseat, then the Cobra is the best bang for the buck out there in the "performance car" scene.
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I had occassion to race my buddy in his new '03 Cobra. My '01 Z06 was stock at the time, meaning less power than most of you guys with 2002 and newer Z06's, and here are the results:
We took off from a 20 MPH roll to about 150 MPH. We were neck in neck for the most part. I had the shifts nailed, and as a result edged ahead of him on each shift until I had him by about 2 car lengths.
Where it got ugly for him was stopping. We were coming up to a light pretty quick, and had to bring it down fast. We got on the brakes and pulled up side by side at the light, and his brakes were SMOKING!!!! Seriously!! We got the cars moving again, and pulled over to 'chat' about it a couple miles down the road.
Basically, the power is impressive, but out of the box the Cobra is pumped and merely keeps up with the Corvette. He was very disappointed that his "blown" Mustang only kept up with me and did not blow my doors off. He was even more disappointed at the stopping power of his machine and how difficult it was to bring that pony down from 150 in a hurry.
My summation is that while the car produces enough power to make an impressive showing at a drag race, when it comes to total balance - it is lacking a lot, and much of what we get out of the box as Vette owners. He will need to spend some bucks to get his suspension and brakes up to par enough to compete with the Z06 on anything but a straight line - twisty curveys are not a Mustangs best friend in stock configuration, IMOP.
It's one of the nicest Mustangs out in a long time (Rausche makes a nice package too), and I respect the muscle car attitude, but IMOP it's not any where near the exotic vehicle that a Vette is.
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Personally, I see no reason to even compare them..they are 2 totally different cars.
Set up for totally different driving styles.
And there is ZERO comparison on the TOTAL package.........
I wish the Cobra had 550 rwhp stock......fine by me........
Who cares??......it's apples n' oranges...
The reason the Cobra is not as capable as an all-around performer is b/c it is not inherently designed to be. It weighs a LOT more, is a subframe car (less rigid structurally for sure), is a 2+2, etc.
If it _could_ perform as well as a Corvette in every aspect (handling, braking, acceleration) then shame on GM. Period.
It is a "ballsy" muscle-car. I like it. I chose not to buy one (and got a '69 big-block Vette instead), but it is a cool car.
Just a completely different class (and I don't mean that its in a lower class...its a "different" class) than a Corvette.
Supercharging is Cheating?
Ouch, that hurts. Do I have to sit in the corner or something
Come on now Mike! Your not going to let Zdog get lane choice are you?
I spoke with a brotha tonight who has 02' QS. Ed said, his brotha n law has a Mustang w/427tt and just got a stock 03' Z. His bnl said the Z is much quicker, and as previously mentioned, handles far better, and really can't compare the two.
Nope, Cobra isnt even as fast as a bone stock 01 Z06, nevermind 02+. I raced a stock 03 Cobra in my 01 Z06, and my car is also stock. we raced from like a 40 roll, 60 roll, and 80 roll. Everytime i had a car on him atleast. and the one form the 60-125 i had about 1.5 cars on him, i would have had more, maybe 2-2.5 if i didnt shutdown at 125.
In no way am i putting the car down. I give the Cobra a lot of respect, simply because it is an awesome car. I always give props where it is due. But stock for stock, an 03 Cobra cant beat any year of the Z06, and the Cobra guys will even admitt that themselves.
Now if it lost 500 lbs, it might be different. but if i put a supercharger, or if i put a turbo, or if or if or if...but IF DOESNT COUNT...
I have them both 02 zo6 and 03 cobra both stock the zo6 is quicker in a straight line,but not by much.Turning and stopping is another story altogether the zo6 dominates period.
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