SCCA T1 results

[99cobra]

Are these posted anywhere - specifically looking for laptimes at BFR, RA, Gin? I've been all over SCCA site and haven't found it...

Thanks

[David Pintaric]

You need to go to the individual region sites and look for the "results" section on each site.

The SCCA's schedule lists which region hosts the race, then find the region's site via the SCCA website.

It takes a bit of searching, but can be done once you get the knack of finding what you want.

[Subdriver]

These may not be the track records, but are representative of the front running T1 National times:

Grattan, 9/5/04, Lance Knupp, 1:24.358
Road Americia, 6/20/04, Lance Knupp, 2:29.672

I don't see any Nationals at Blackhawk Farms this year, so not sure how representative this is, but there was a Regional there a few months ago...

Blackhawk, 10/10/04, Mark Boden (Porsche GT3), 1:17.605

I found these by negotiating to the local SCCA Region website by clicking near the track of interest on these links:
http://sccaweb.cons.degdarwin.com/In...ndiv-east&%7E=

http://sccaweb.cons.degdarwin.com/In...ndiv-west&%7E=

[99cobra]

Those are good times, give me something to measure against. I did a 2:29 once at RA, if it wasn't a bad time, usually was doint 2:34,2:35. GIN 1:32, BFR 1:21. All with a stock car with Toyo RA1, but I still have a ways to go!

Originally Posted by Subdriver

These may not be the track records, but are representative of the front running T1 National times:

Gingerman, 9/5/04, Lance Knupp, 1:24.358
Road Americia, 6/20/04, Lance Knupp, 2:29.672

I don't see any Nationals at Blackhawk Farms this year, so not sure how representative this is, but there was a Regional there a few months ago...

Blackhawk, 10/10/04, Mark Boden (Porsche GT3), 1:17.605

I found these by negotiating to the local SCCA Region website by clicking near the track of interest on these links:
http://sccaweb.cons.degdarwin.com/In...ndiv-east&%7E=

http://sccaweb.cons.degdarwin.com/In...ndiv-west&%7E=

[JOEZ06]

I am not certain, but I think the 1:24x time quoted might be an SCCA T1 Gingerman record. I was surfing around a few weeks ago and I think I read that Lance holds the record there, but I'm not sure this is his lowest time.

1:32 is pretty damn good if you have a stock car. Consider that in the last Corvette Quarterly, Johnny O'Connell took a stock 04Z06 down to 1:34.9 and a C6 to 1:36. Granted that the article says he had never been to Gingerman before, so he can probably find a few more tics, but this is still Johnny O.

My question is... what is a full T1 SCCA prep worth over a completely stock Z06, including tires???????? Assume same conditions and same driver. It has to be way less than 10 seconds per lap on a road course of this length, no?

[Subdriver]

Originally Posted by JOEZ06

My question is... what is a full T1 SCCA prep worth over a completely stock Z06, including tires???????? Assume same conditions and same driver. It has to be way less than 10 seconds per lap on a road course of this length, no?

Joe,
The Grattan time quoted above by Lance is the T1 track record. The SCCA results sheet indicates if the time is below the track record and that one was.

I'm guessing, but my estimate is that a fully prepped T1 Z06 is 3-5% faster than a completely stock Z06, or a couple of seconds per 60 seconds of lap.

[David Pintaric]

Gingerman, 9/5/04, Lance Knupp, 1:24.358

I think there might be an error on that track record, I think it is Grattan, not Gingerman.

One reason: the Gingerman race is in April, not September.
Second reason: the Grattan race was in September
Third reason: Lance says he set the record at Grattan in September, not Gingerman.
Fourth reason: Lance is fast, but not six seconds faster than me! I ran 1:30s (I think), Lance & Freddy Baker were in the 1:29s in April.

[Subdriver]

Originally Posted by David Pintaric

I think there might be an error on that track record, I think it is Grattan, not Gingerman.

One reason: the Gingerman race is in April, not September.
Second reason: the Grattan race was in September
Third reason: Lance says he set the record at Grattan in September, not Gingerman.
Fourth reason: Lance is fast, but not six seconds faster than me! I ran 1:30s (I think), Lance & Freddy Baker were in the 1:29s in April.

David... uh, that's a pretty convincing list.

I edited my post to say Grattan not Gingerman. I've never driven Gingerman so had no idea how far off that time was. Sorry all for the confusion.

[99cobra]

That 1:24 has gotta be Grattan. That's what Brad said in the first place...

The key question at Grattan - do you "get air" on that "jump" at the end of the short back straight!!?? - what a wild and fun track!!

[Subdriver]

Originally Posted by 99cobra

That 1:24 has gotta be Grattan. That's what Brad said in the first place...

The key question at Grattan - do you "get air" on that "jump" at the end of the short back straight!!?? - what a wild and fun track!!

Actually I did say Gingerman, but edited my post.

Sure felt like you get air from inside the car. The few times I followed another T1 car over that "jump" it sure looked like air under the tires. Probably wasn't, but what a ride that place is...

[David Pintaric]

The few times I followed another T1 car over that "jump" it sure looked like air under the tires.

I understand that the T1 cars do get "air."

However, we pay the price; it's tough on the shocks and the rest of the suspension, as well as the drivetrain.

But, oh! what a ride (so I've been told).

[rpallas]

Road Americia, 6/20/04, Lance Knupp, 2:29.672

That's what Lou Gigliotti was running in his FRC with cooked brakes and a passenger.

Of course, Lou had about 450 hp at the rear wheels, coil over shocks and full race slicks. I think that's more potent than a T1 car.

A good time for Gingerman has got to be low 1:30's for a T1 car.

Bob

[99cobra]

Bob -

If I'm not wrong (prior to getting my lap timer), my best at Gin ("dash" timed!) was 1:32 w/ stock + Toyo Z. Somebody should get into high 1:20's w. T1 / better driver. Again, my time could have been wrong...

Have we met? I was at 15+ DEs this year, mostly Porsche, BMW hosted. RA, Gin, BFR, Grattan. I've got a Yellow Z - had Green 99 Cobra Conv w/ rollbar previous years. I'm in Evanston.

Aaron




A good time for Gingerman has got to be low 1:30's for a T1 car.

Bob[/quote]

[Scotty B]

Actually the track record for T1 belongs to some ol hillbilly trucker in a White #3 at a 2:27.9 on KUMHO Ecsta V700's

sbw

[99cobra]

Originally Posted by Scotty B

Actually the track record for T1 belongs to some ol hillbilly trucker in a White #3 at a 2:27.9 on KUMHO Ecsta V700's

sbw

Sweet Time! At 4 miles, 14 turns RA is best track I've lapped in anger of the following (ranked) IMHO:

1) RA
2) MO
3) Grattan
4) Ginger
5) BFR
6) PP
7) MM (Milwaukee Mile w/ infield - new!)
8) Water


Opinions amongst these??