Z06 vs. E46 M3?

[B_P_fox]

Originally Posted by Z06 Rocket

I guarantee he'll want to run me light to light when it gets a little nicer out, after a few nice rains wash all the salt and crap off of the roads, but I'll have to gracefully decline, because I don't think I'll win light to light in a short distance. I'll just tell him he'll have wait till we get to the track...

You will have no prob light to light against an M3. My nephew has an '04 M3 and we have now gone head to head dozens of times on the street. Even before my mods it was no contest but then again I have an '04, has a few more ponies than a stock '01. The M3's are fast but not that fast where you will need to worry. Just concentrate on what you need to do and pay no attention to the bimmer.

[Millenium Z06]

I've run one and it was ugly. I had him by about 3 cars in 1st by the top of 2nd he was easily 6-7 cars back and I quit.

[Fragile]

Originally Posted by Z06 Rocket

Thanks for the replies guys!

I'm just concerned because I only have an '01 Zee, and that only gives me about 50 more HP (385 stock) than his stock E46 M3 (333 stock).
Although, I did remove the stock filter cover, and that helps the Zee breathe a LOT better - it should have given me about 10-15 more HP, but definitely not more than 15HP. So, technically I guess you could say I have about 60-65 more HP... but I didn't think that would be enough of a difference to blow his doors off..

Not only will you blow his doors off, but he may blow his engine up. It is a common occurance with the highly tweaked 6 in the E46 M3. (see here)

[Dr.Ron]

You should be able to take him fairly easily! Just don't light up your tires off the launch & you'll be fine. Powershifting (keeping the throttle on the mat while you shift) WILL lower your ET slightly, but puts more wear on your tranny & requires good synchronized hand/foot speed. Double clutching does not give any "boost" as you mentioned, but will increase your ET significantly, as it takes a lot of time to perform & is not necessary.
Many folks here go to Englishtown to race their cars, myself included (see video in my sig from Etown of my to date best run). This past Saturday was this years 1st Corvette Challange!
Hope this helps!
Ron

[tlaselva]

Originally Posted by Fragile

Not only will you blow his doors off, but he may blow his engine up. It is a common occurance with the highly tweaked 6 in the E46 M3. (see here)

That issue's been dealt with a looong time ago........

Remember there is an optional SMG tranny on the E46 M3's.
It also comes with Launch Control (Computer Controlled Launch). If he knowledgeable in it’s function, the M3 will likely out-launch you, and with paddle shifting that shift's in .08 seconds, he'll likely not only shift perfectly, but highly unlikely he'll miss a shift; unless he's paying attention to you and not the tach. With all these computer aids, it makes it very simple for someone to extract very good and reliable times from the car.

Having said all that, let me say that there is no comparison in acceleration between the two. Just so long you don't badly spin in 1st and 2nd, and miss a shift; the M3 will go down easy.

[Z06 Rocket]

Man, I don't know guys - maybe it's just the cold weather and salt/sand all over the roads from past snowfalls, but it seems like even when I get on the gas moderately going into 2nd and 3rd, the rears spin like mad...and the only way to recover is to let off completely, which would set me back a good bit!
When we race I know I'll be anxious (which is bad) - even knowing I should win, I'm gonna have it in my head that the damn tires are gonna spin while I watch him take off. I'll just have to keep it cool, launch nice, and not get on the gas too much.. even though it seems like even half throttle makes 'em spin. the Z is a damn beast.
I'm guessing it will be totally different once the weather improves, the temps rise, and all the crap is cleared off the roads from a few heavy rainfalls. Then I bet I'll get em to hook up nicely to the asphalt.

[Z06 Rocket]

Originally Posted by Dr.Ron

You should be able to take him fairly easily! Just don't light up your tires off the launch & you'll be fine. Powershifting (keeping the throttle on the mat while you shift) WILL lower your ET slightly, but puts more wear on your tranny & requires good synchronized hand/foot speed. Double clutching does not give any "boost" as you mentioned, but will increase your ET significantly, as it takes a lot of time to perform & is not necessary.
Many folks here go to Englishtown to race their cars, myself included (see video in my sig from Etown of my to date best run). This past Saturday was this years 1st Corvette Challange!
Hope this helps!
Ron

Damn, very impressive runs Ron! You got that with just a ram air intake and the edit? That's cool - I'll have to catch up with some of you one of these days over at raceway park...

[Dr.Ron]

Originally Posted by Z06 Rocket

Damn, very impressive runs Ron! You got that with just a ram air intake and the edit? That's cool - I'll have to catch up with some of you one of these days over at raceway park...

Thanks, & yes that's all I've got...I now have ET Streets though & I'm looking to better the DR #'s asap...I've only made 4 passes on them so far & I'm trying to figure out launching on them, psi,etc.
Ron

[Pakisho]

Originally Posted by tlaselva

That issue's been dealt with a looong time ago........

Remember there is an optional SMG tranny on the E46 M3's.
It also comes with Launch Control (Computer Controlled Launch). If he knowledgeable in it’s function, the M3 will likely out-launch you, and with paddle shifting that shift's in .08 seconds, he'll likely not only shift perfectly, but highly unlikely he'll miss a shift; unless he's paying attention to you and not the tach. With all these computer aids, it makes it very simple for someone to extract very good and reliable times from the car.

Very true, resulting in the M3 only being 10 cars back, instead of 20.

Its not even a contest. The Z06 will decimate, obliterate, dominate, confusticate and flat out maul an M3.

Ive been beating on M3s with the last three cars I owned.....blasted one in my old supercharged sho.........ruined his day, he chased me down to find out what I had in the car.

My old supercharged S2000 was also a hair quicker than the 2 M3s I raced. Got them both by only a fender, but enough to piss them off severely.

And Ive beate.......no, make that slaughtered, one in the Z06 before, when I was stock.

No contest at all.

[ZO6 AL-X]

The SMG makes for a car that shifts quicker - but the SMG also adds some weight to the car. I'm not positive, but I thougt I noticed that it adds 50+ lbs to the car. I can't remember exactly though... I'm not sure what other option differences there were that would have made such a difference.

[COUTO1981]

z06Rocket, I dont think you'll have a problem light to light either, what I mentioned is that the M3 takes less effort for the driver to launch, but that's pretty much how fast it gets, your average driver can launch the m3 to its best, but the Z06 takes alot of talent and practice to master its best which is less then 4 seconds 0-60mph, the M3 will never come close to that, to be honest my Bone stock mustang could take a E46 M3 from 0-60mph, ofcourse passed that it Im guessing it would fly by me, but then again I could launch my mustang faster then my Z06, until I practiced a little ofcourse, all Im saying the z06 is harder to drive out the whole that is why average drivers in a race between the M and the Z would be interesting, but like I said 2nd gear, and Definetely 3rd the Z06 will just blast away, the funny thing is that most people that havent riden or driven a LS motor car thinks all American cars only have bottom end acceleration, so they here about M3 taking a jump on a Z06 and assume if the Z06 couldnt get it out the whole then Its American and only has bottom end so it cant catch up, GOD!! they are so wrong, the LS motors have both the bottom end and exceptional top end, not to mention the Z06s top end acceleration that flat out embarrasses all the imports, I dont know One STOCK car under $200k that I would be scared to race from a 70mph roll, I wont win against every one, but I'll keep up enough to make the $200k car wonder whats really going on

[Z06 Rocket]

Oh man, I wish we could just ALL go to Englishtown this wknd, but my friend works all day saturday till like 9PM, and I work all week, so the only day we can all go is a sunday.
The problem is, it's closed this sunday for Easter... and my brother's getting married next sunday. The sunday after that (4/10) is import only!! The first sunday that seems open is 4/17. I haven't been to Englishtown in years - does anyone know if you can drag at a "Swap meet & Auto show" ??

Bah, for some reason, they both (the EVO too) seriously seem to think that they can win. I didn't even wanna argue with 'em, so I just said, "Uh huh...we'll see at the strip". I bet I'll just get tired of waiting and end up racing them on the street. I'd rather not street race because I've been actually arrested before for that - "speed contest". It's a serious offense!
Anyway, if I do, I just have to practice perfectly squeezing the throttle, and I'll be golden. The lights on our main street are pretty close together, so if I spin into first or second, I'm screwed short distance...especially against the EVO.

And I have yet another friend that swears he'll beat me... he has an automatic '99 C5, with an exhaust and an intake I think. Since I got the Z a few months ago he's been saying that he could tear me up! lol I wonder how much that exhaust/intake is giving him... if the '99 is 350 stock HP, and that exhaust/intake gives him an extra 30-35 HP or so, then we'd be pretty much even in HP...which sucks..
Well, the nicer weather is coming, and they'll all be out cruising more.. I sense that I'm gonna be tearing them up pretty soon. I'll definitely keep you guys posted if anything goes down...

[COUTO1981]

I wouldnt even worry about the auto C5, and the evo(if he's stock), the M3 is about your only competition, if its considered competition , I wouldnt practice on the street, you'll never really can the condition anything close to the track, the lights ect. If its eating you up inside that much for both of you, do it it from a roll, even if he pulls first, you'll pass him and it will show your cars power , have fun and be safe, Im jealous all the guys who play with me have 200 more hp then I do, so I have alot of work on my hands

[Z06 Rocket]

Originally Posted by COUTO1981

I wouldnt even worry about the auto C5, and the evo(if he's stock), the M3 is about your only competition, if its considered competition , I wouldnt practice on the street, you'll never really can the condition anything close to the track, the lights ect. If its eating you up inside that much for both of you, do it it from a roll, even if he pulls first, you'll pass him and it will show your cars power , have fun and be safe, Im jealous all the guys who play with me have 200 more hp then I do, so I have alot of work on my hands

Whoa - 200 more HP?? And you have an '03 Z06? Do you have any mods, or stock 405HP? Even then, it'd be like going against 600HP.. What are you racing man, Lambos? It's either that, or someone that has a V8 and a lot of money to throw into it!!

[COUTO1981]

Originally Posted by Z06 Rocket

Whoa - 200 more HP?? And you have an '03 Z06? Do you have any mods, or stock 405HP? Even then, it'd be like going against 600HP.. What are you racing man, Lambos? It's either that, or someone that has a V8 and a lot of money to throw into it!!

I have a bone stock Z06, which dynoes about 350+- to the rear I suppose.

I raced my cousins TT supra when he about 450+- to the rear, I got him on the 1/4 and on the top, he blew his turbos and now went to Single Turbo which now dynoes 600 to the rear, Im pretty sure he wants to eat me up, but I'll put a fight, hopefully with the Vararam I can put one up, but we havent tried yet.

Then there's my Friends '03 cobra with all the bolt ons including a Kenne bell SC, It dynoed 550rwhp, it ran 11.90s in the 1/4 with the stock tires, we also ran top end and we cant pull away from eachother , same goes for his Brothers 911TT, its suppose to make 550rwhp(yes RWHP because he disable the front wheels from operating) and we tried maybe 10 times already from 70mph to 120+ mph and its dead even, I dont know who would prevail, we never had room to top out his gears or my power.

Oh theres also Lee's 88 Mustang, with 330ci motor and a procharger, I dont remember the HP buts its over 500rwhp, he trapped in the 120s mph, so thats Damn good for a mustang so you know he's got some power, he only ran 12.40s, but he was on 245/45-17 tires.

I got another one on the way, the same one with the 911 is almost finished his 500 something Cubic inch motor on his 69 mustang, he says thats for me, but he suppose to pull 700rwhp, so I dont know how thats for me since my is half that