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Old 06-14-2008, 01:16 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Maybe this will take the heat off gas prices rising.?

Plan Would Lift Saudi Oil Output
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By JAD MOUAWAD
Published: June 14, 2008
Saudi Arabia, the world’s biggest oil exporter, is planning to increase its output next month by about a half-million barrels a day, according to analysts and oil traders who have been briefed by Saudi officials.

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King Abdullah has called a meeting to address the causes of the oil price rally.

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The increase could bring Saudi output to a production level of 10 million barrels a day, which, if sustained, would be the kingdom’s highest ever. The move was seen as a sign that the Saudis are becoming increasingly nervous about both the political and economic effect of high oil prices. In recent weeks, soaring fuel costs have incited demonstrations and protests from Italy to Indonesia.

Saudi Arabia is currently pumping 9.45 million barrels a day, which is an increase of about 300,000 barrels from last month.

While they are reaping record profits, the Saudis are concerned that today’s record prices might eventually damp economic growth and lead to lower oil demand, as is already happening in the United States and other developed countries. The current prices are also making alternative fuels more viable, threatening the long-term prospects of the oil-based economy.

President Bush visited Saudi Arabia twice this year, pleading with King Abdullah to step up production. While the Saudis resisted the calls then, arguing that the markets were well supplied, they seem to have since concluded that they needed to disrupt the momentum that has been building in commodity markets, sending prices higher.

The Saudi plans were disclosed in interviews with several oil traders and analysts who said that Saudi oil officials had privately conveyed their production plans recently to some traders and companies in the United States. The analysts declined to be identified so as not to be cut off from future information from the Saudis.

Last week, King Abdullah also took the unprecedented step of arranging on short notice a major gathering of oil producers and consumers to address the causes of the price rally. The meeting will be held on June 22 in the Red Sea town of Jeddah.

Oil prices have gained 40 percent this year, rising to nearly $140 a barrel in recent days and driving gasoline costs above $4 a gallon. Some analysts have predicted that prices could reach $200 a barrel this year as oil consumption continues to rise rapidly while supplies lag.

The growing volatility of the markets, including a record one-day gain of $10.75 a barrel last week, has persuaded the Saudis that they need to step in, analysts said.

Tony Fratto, a White House spokesman, said, “We would welcome any and all increases in oil production, including from Saudi Arabia.”

But the measure carries some risks to the kingdom and is not guaranteed to bring down prices, analysts said. Some investors doubt that Saudi Arabia has the capacity to increase its production beyond its current levels.

“This clearly represents the biggest test for them,” said John Kilduff, a senior vice president at the brokerage firm MF Global, who said the move could backfire if investors failed to respond to the extra Saudi supplies. No other producer has the capacity to quickly expand production.

Oil prices fell on Friday, slipping $1.88 to settle at $134.86 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange, after reports of the prospective Saudi increase trickled into the market.

Ibrahim al-Muhanna, an adviser at the Saudi petroleum ministry, declined to comment on the production increase but said that Saudi Arabia was uncomfortable with oil prices. “Our goal is to bring back stability to the oil market,” he said.

Consumers are complaining that rising fuel prices are imposing a growing toll on their economies, and contributing to higher food costs. The Australian prime minister, Kevin Rudd, said this month that it was time “to apply the blowtorch to the OPEC organization.”

In Washington, bipartisan support is also growing to pass a law allowing the Justice Department to engage in antitrust proceedings against OPEC producers accused of curbing supplies to drive up prices.

Pressure is also mounting in consuming countries to address record energy prices. Congress is debating measures that would tackle speculators, whom many in Washington blame for driving up commodity prices.

When the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries, of which Saudi Arabia is the most powerful member, met in March, it decided against increasing production, blaming speculators and a declining dollar, not a shortfall in supplies, for driving up oil prices.

Saudi Arabia’s unilateral policy could put it at odds with other members of the OPEC cartel. In a report from the group’s secretariat on Friday, OPEC analysts said they saw no need to put more oil on the market. “Claims that the recent surge in prices is due to a supply shortage are unjustified,” the report said.

Saudi Arabia is completing a huge expansion program in its oil industry that is expected to bring its production capacity to 12.5 million barrels a day by 2009. As part of that expansion, Saudi Aramco, the country’s national oil company, is planning to start soon an oil field, called Khursaniyah, with a daily production rate of 500,000 barrels.

The production increase, which would amount to less than 1 percent of global consumption, could be made public next week at the energy meeting, which is expected to bring together a large number of consuming and producing countries, including the United States, Russia, Britain, China, India and Japan.

While the meeting is not expected to achieve anything tangible, Saudi officials hope that tackling the issue publicly will break the upward momentum that is dominating oil markets.

“They’ve created pressure on themselves to make a concrete move at this meeting,” said Adam Robinson, an analyst at Lehman Brothers. “But when the king calls an oil summit, the markets would do well to take heed.”
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Old 06-14-2008, 01:26 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Good. I hope they've screwed themselves, Royally. I would love to see this country move away from oil completely in a few decades.
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Old 06-14-2008, 02:59 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Maybe this will take the heat off gas prices rising.?

I heard of this on CNN a couple days ago, followed by some secretary of this or that, and his baffled look and bumbling statement "that this latest rally of the oil prices has not been caused by the speculators, investors have not profited at this time". Yeah right buddy, have another drink.

I have to tell you .... I don't know who has more bullsh!t with them. But with OPEC saying that they will meet whatever demand is required to stabilze things....maybe we should open our eyes to other sources that also directly control our fuel costs......and can virtually create a low supply on paper to justify pocketing big $$$$.

I don't think OPEC is the only greedy kid around here........ Just read the profit reports.


What do you think Mr. Adam Robinson meant with his closing quote? Think the oil companies will lower their "at the pump numbers"?
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This is all political comedy. Canada is our No. 1 provider of oil - and I think that even Mexico provides us with more oil than Saudi Arabia. Why don't we also ask Canada to step up production along with Mexico? They - politicians and the media - always want to make it look like it's "us" vs the Middle East.

Why don't we buy ethanol fuel from Brazil, which is a country that produces an abundance of the stuff? That could supplement our own production and help create more diversity. Oil companies have politicians up their sleeves... it's been that way for years. They've all made plenty of money doing it this way.
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Re: Maybe this will take the heat off gas prices rising.?

Maybe if we stop electing oil men president things might get better. That's right, I said it.
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Maybe if we stop electing oil men president things might get better. That's right, I said it.

Somebody would have, might as well been you right??!!
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Canada is our No. 1 provider of oil - and I think that even Mexico provides us with more oil than Saudi Arabia.
Close, but Mexico is third, behind Saudi Arabia.

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This is all political comedy. Canada is our No. 1 provider of oil - and I think that even Mexico provides us with more oil than Saudi Arabia. Why don't we also ask Canada to step up production along with Mexico? They - politicians and the media - always want to make it look like it's "us" vs the Middle East.

Why don't we buy ethanol fuel from Brazil, which is a country that produces an abundance of the stuff? That could supplement our own production and help create more diversity. Oil companies have politicians up their sleeves... it's been that way for years. They've all made plenty of money doing it this way.

Canada provides more than 39% of The United States energy.
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Why don't we buy ethanol fuel from Brazil, which is a country that produces an abundance of the stuff?
The U.S. is the largest producer of ethanol, although Brazil is the world's leading exporter, most of which goes to the U.S..

However, U.S. ethanol producers and corn growers have argued that increasing Brazilian ethanol imports would undercut the competition after U.S. companies and farmers invested millions in corn ethanol production. Thus, there is a $0.54 per gallon tariff on Brazilian ethanol.

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Good, we're all on the same page, as far as awareness goes. There are many different ways to lower our oil consumption. I hope we put more and more of them to good use... and in the near future.
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The Brazilians are making their ethanol the smart way, from sugar cane! We could have an abundance of cheap ethanol here also if we were to start growing sugar cane again for ethanol production. But as usual, the politicians cow-tow to the "corn-lobby", and we all suffer because of it and the country continues to go down the tubes because of the spineless a-holes in Washington who have long since sold their souls to the greedy bastards who run the oil and defense businesses. Corporate greed is absolutely ruining this great country and the current administration has done nothing to fix the problem! Hell, they're reaping the benefits of the runaway profits from big oil and defense! NFW Bush could ever make a living on the "lecture circuit" after he leaves office, so he better line his pockets and the pockets of all his cronies now. The damage done to this country and its stature in the world by this joke of an administration in the last 8 years will take generations to fix, IF it ever gets fixed.
Sorry about the rant everyone, and if I offended anyone, so be it! I'm just sick and tired of what is going on in Washington and what we, the people are faced with now and in the future because of the sheer incompetence and greed driven arrogance of the corporate owned gangsters running this country! OK, rant over, flame suit on!

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