You know, I am counting the days until I can tell the United States Army to kiss my ass. Over thelast 3 days, it has been one soup sandwich over another.
I have a Soldier go into the emergency room on Friday by AMBULANCE and I didn't get a call for over 90 minutes AFTER she arrived. It was severe enough to get a medical emergency, but not severe enough to inform her 1st line supervisor (me).
Prior to her release, I ask the NCO who is picking her up to CALL ME if she is discharged so I know her disposition and medical referral for comp time, convalescent leave, quarters, etc...... She is released around 4 pm. I never got a call. I call that NCO and his excuse was "I just plum forgot".
I go into get my Enlisted Records Brief today and try and smooth over the clerk with a kick ass BULLDOG coin, my coin I gave out as a First Sergeant. This was just hoping I would get a good attention to detail with my records for promotion look to Sergeant Major. I gave her a DETAILED write up what to remove, what to add, what to drop off, what to change. It was very detailed, and written by section and line, so there was no confusion. I felt confident walking out because not only HANDING her my record with highlights on it to match up what needed to change, I went through it line by line for each one what to do and then left her the ERB with the highlights, my documents to support the changes and the cheat sheet explaining line by line.
Would you believe that DUMB ASS forgot to changes a few lines, didn't line up (dress right dress) the lines so there is shit crooked, and she even got a few things WRONG!!!
WHAT THE FK is wrong with people today? I mean, do they actually stand back and look at the CRAP they put out? And this is MY RECORD TO THE SERGEANTS MAJOR BOARD SHE IS SCREWING WITH!!! That is why I tried to explain line by line and these assholes DO NOT TAKE APPOINTMENTS you must drop off your paper work. This is BULLSHIT. No face to face influence is garbage. I explained it to this incompetent moron in detail and she STILL Screwed it up.
Well, guess what? Tomorrow I will be going BACK and tell her to do that crap while I stand over her shoulder and SUPERVISE her dumbass. Then, I am taking my coin back and giving it to the drive thru teller at Burger King!
Am I just having a bad week or what! I tell ya, sometimes I think one of the most organized structures in the world is the most UNORGANIZED. And of course, if I go back and rant about this, I am the one that is wrong or too uptight or whatever......
Then I got to submit this TSR Data to Brigade. The gentleman who gives me the input says he can update the website since he is directly responsible for that information. I say Thank you and how it makes my job easier....All I required was a E mail saying it was up to date. I speak with a female NCO to do HER portion the same and she says "Thats not my job..." I then have to explain to her how as the Battalion S1, she tracks all incoming personnel and that IS HER JOB!!! The problem is, she has one data sheet (Data Sheet A) that updates another automatically (Data Sheet B TSR) and gives me the Data Sheet B TSR. Well, the only problem is, that data sheet comes to me with about 1000 Cells that have numbers and NONE ARE ANNOTATED WITH HIGHLIGHT!!! So, I do not know what is changed month to month and she expects me to look it over cell by cell, line by line, until I discover "ohh, here is a change". I tell her this is crap and there has GOT To be a more efficient method and she says "Well, this is how its always been done and we never had a problem before until now" I said "Thats because I am not the NCO who USED TO WORK HERE that is willing to waste 3 hours or more looking this over cell by cell, And if you don't get a more efficient method, it will be YOu who sits by my side reading off line by line. Not my Boss" And then you know, you get the nonchalant attitude "Well, thats really not my job and I dont have time for that" blah blah FKING Blah...... Then I say, "But you seem to think I have time for that?" This is the BULLSHIT the Army tolerates. I don't but it is obvious her leaders accept this so she dishes her crap out.
Anyways - This is our Army. Its filled with incompetent shitbags who don't try and make things better or more efficient or take PRIDE in their work. I am so fking FED UP with this shit!!!
And what pisses me off even more is, YOU CANT FIRE THEM!!!
Does anyone have these issues where you work?
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yep, i'm responsible for sales goals at the company i work for. i could sell veal to a vegetarian (and funny enough did so at a job i once had), but these people i have to teach couldn't sell life jackets on a ship thats going down. its like they don't even try, and they know we cant fire them because we are in need of people. i make the ones that suck attend a sales class every week, and they just give me grief because they have to go every week, I'm like "if you didn't suck and put a little effort into working when you come to work you wouldn't be here!" its no use, they'll be back next week. and i'll keep teaching the class. good thing i got a raise to accept the responsibility.
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Thanks guys...Last night, I asked a former female Soldier "Is it me? Am I too hard on them? Do I expect too much?" She said "No. You don't expect too much. They are just not used to someone holding them to a standard. And if you just let them get away with it, then you just confirmed the standard they are used to." So, I felt a little better but today is the day I wreak havoc. (Tactfully)
Regardless how I feel, I will still do what I can to make things BETTER than the way I foun dthem. Even if I reach out to a few Soldiers who believe in what I am doing is the RIGHT thing to do, that's a few Soldiers who will take that with them wherever they go and see know what RIGHT looks like.
But damn, I am going to blow a head gasket over this stuff! Oh well. Today is a new day. The sun is shining. And I took a hot shower while people less fortunate search for surviving loved ones in Mynamar. I guess it COULD be worse......
it could be worse, you could have to walk to and from work barefoot in the snow uphill both ways instead of driving a vette.
Funny you mention that..... My mother used to tell me that when I was growing up and when I realized what she was saying, I asked, "How could you walk to school, in 3 feet of snow, uphill "BOTH WAYS" ? Well, it worked for about 8 years when I used to complain about walking to school in the rain. Then I caught on to her! (She used to ride a covered wagon!) Hahahahahahahahaha
When you consider why so many misfits join the military, it's not hard to understand why you encounter the behaviour you have described. The recent PBS "Carrier" series profiled a number of misfits who joined the Navy. All profiled (except one obvious loser) improved themselves to the extent they took pride in their accomplishment. Perhaps the Navy holds recruits to a higher standard, or perhaps the TV series was scripted that way.
It could be a lot worse. Maybe I was lucky being in special ops and being an aircrew member, but my military job was great and the people I worked with were fantastic. I miss being excited about work. I really miss being responsible for life and death decisions.
Now I work for a county. No standards, no supervisors, no morals, no vision, no training, no currency, no proficiency, no professional development, no personal development. The only standard is to do the absolute minimum possible. Oh, there are some of those things for certain people(except the morals) if you're in the right group of good ol boys. It's pretty much - fill that spot, sit in your hole and shut the hell up, if we like you we might let you do something in a few years. Try that for a while. You'll want to puke.
Be glad you are counted on to do a great job, and that you have the opportunity to do great things. Like I said, it could be a lot worse.
After working with the Navy for many years (I'm a consultant), I took a gig on an Army project so I could stop travelling for a while. Boy, I thought the Navy was screwed up, hah - they don't hold a candle to the Army
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Wow! That is some eye opening input. Oh, just a heads up that, the one who said "That's not my job" went before a PROMOTION BOARD today, and was SELECTED FOR PROMOTION TO THE NEXT LEVEL. Obviously, i was NOT a Voting Board Member.
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Re: Praise & Encouragement = CRAP
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Wow! That is some eye opening input. Oh, just a heads up that, the one who said "That's not my job" went before a PROMOTION BOARD today, and was SELECTED FOR PROMOTION TO THE NEXT LEVEL. Obviously, i was NOT a Voting Board Member.
You can just hope that now SHE gets put in charge of getting results from someone as pathetic as she was (is). Of course, in all actuality, she'll probably just end up putting another layer of incompetencies into the system.
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Ah, Glenn ... finally had time to read your rant.
Is GR8 White still down?
Things OK with your GF?
Over simplified ... people are motivated by different things - fear, survival, advancement, recognition, money, etc.
Over the years I've had everything from "project 100,000" 80GT recruits to college grads in the ranks.
Even the marginally qualified could understand standards and expectations if presented properly ... and I only had a very few that I couldn't "get to" and motivate to perform.
OTOH ... I've found that soldiers want structure, fairness, and recognition ... and they KNOW when they're slacking ... and if the supervisor lets them get away with it, they lose respect for the supervisor. ... and if the supervisor lets one get away with something, the rest, who are busting their a$$, take a morale downer ... 'cause they KNOW too
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I have a Soldier go into the emergency room on Friday by AMBULANCE and I didn't get a call for over 90 minutes AFTER she arrived. It was severe enough to get a medical emergency, but not severe enough to inform her 1st line supervisor (me).
Prior to her release, I ask the NCO who is picking her up to CALL ME if she is discharged so I know her disposition and medical referral for comp time, convalescent leave, quarters, etc...... She is released around 4 pm. I never got a call. I call that NCO and his excuse was "I just plum forgot".
Well, if he works for you, you counsel him and to reinforce the lesson, at some future date when he asks you for something (a minor trivial thing) you end up "forgetting" ... to make the point.
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I go into get my Enlisted Records Brief today and try and smooth over the clerk with a kick ass BULLDOG coin, my coin I gave out as a First Sergeant. This was just hoping I would get a good attention to detail with my records for promotion look to Sergeant Major. I gave her a DETAILED write up what to remove, what to add, what to drop off, what to change. It was very detailed, and written by section and line, so there was no confusion. I felt confident walking out because not only HANDING her my record with highlights on it to match up what needed to change, I went through it line by line for each one what to do and then left her the ERB with the highlights, my documents to support the changes and the cheat sheet explaining line by line.
Would you believe that DUMB ASS forgot to changes a few lines, didn't line up (dress right dress) the lines so there is shit crooked, and she even got a few things WRONG!!! ...
Well, guess what? Tomorrow I will be going BACK and tell her to do that crap while I stand over her shoulder and SUPERVISE her dumbass.
Did the "personal supervision" gambit work, or did you have to go to her supervisor? (that's the next move, with the evidence of her negligence)
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Then I got to submit this TSR Data to Brigade. The gentleman who gives me the input says he can update the website since he is directly responsible for that information. I say Thank you and how it makes my job easier....All I required was a E mail saying it was up to date. I speak with a female NCO to do HER portion the same and she says "Thats not my job..." I then have to explain to her how as the Battalion S1, she tracks all incoming personnel and that IS HER JOB!!! The problem is, she has one data sheet (Data Sheet A) that updates another automatically (Data Sheet B TSR) and gives me the Data Sheet B TSR. Well, the only problem is, that data sheet comes to me with about 1000 Cells that have numbers and NONE ARE ANNOTATED WITH HIGHLIGHT!!! So, I do not know what is changed month to month and she expects me to look it over cell by cell, line by line, until I discover "ohh, here is a change". I tell her this is crap and there has GOT To be a more efficient method and she says "Well, this is how its always been done and we never had a problem before until now" I said "Thats because I am not the NCO who USED TO WORK HERE that is willing to waste 3 hours or more looking this over cell by cell, And if you don't get a more efficient method, it will be YOu who sits by my side reading off line by line. Not my Boss" And then you know, you get the nonchalant attitude "Well, thats really not my job and I dont have time for that"
Does anyone have these issues where you work?
This is a pretty tough one ... she may be an unwilling cog in a mal-designed application ... and the functional proponent may be nowhere in view. If accuracy of the database is not a performance factor in her job description, it somehow needs to be.
Smok'em if you got'em.
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