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The 7 min 40 sec lap that is being reported has been confirmed to have been done by the blue devil. And it is also confirmed the blue devil has a 600bhp supercharged version of the new Z06 engine:

"Dubbed the ‘blue devil’ by GM insiders, and caught here setting an impressive 7min 40sec lap of the Nürburgring in the hands of Corvette’s Le Mans class-winning driver Jan Magnussen, the car will be positioned to take on some of the world’s most highly-respected supercars, according to General Motors’ product guru, Bob Lutz."

http://www.autocar.co.uk/news_article.asp?na_id=216013
 

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It means either the Z06 or the "blue devil" or both ran a 7:40.

Until we get it from a reliable source I wouldn't worry too much which car ran what.
 

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I'd think with the MB SLR @ 550 hp or thereabouts lapping closely....the standard C6 Z06 would lap at 7.40...

Should be interesting when the times are released...

Why would the 3100 lb C6 Z06 need 600 hp to lap as quickly as heavier Supercars with less hp?
 

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I'd think with the MB SLR @ 550 hp or thereabouts lapping closely....the standard C6 Z06 would lap at 7.40...

Should be interesting when the times are released...

Why would the 3100 lb C6 Z06 need 600 hp to lap as quickly as heavier Supercars with less hp?
The SLR has 626 hp / 575 ft/lbs and weighs 3733 lbs
 

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Thanks Luke,

I didn't realize the MB SLR has 626 hp and so much torque...

I wonder what the 505 hp 475 lb/ft of torque with its projected power to weight ratio along with its 6 speed manual tranny would really be slower on the "ring"

The SLR is a mega buck wonder...Just didn't think it would take 600 supercharged hp in a manual Corvette to better the SLR's time....

I wonder how close the "base" C6 Z06 will actually be? Especially since its replicated many portions of the famed race track in this country for pre testing.

I'd imagine this august we'll find out one way or the other...

Either way I wouldn't be disappointed if the 66 grand C6 Z06 hit 7.43's either....

Maybe the C6 Z06 needs a Dual clutch sequential shift technology rather than an extra 100 ponies? Just a thought as to how to make the car even faster at the "ring"
 

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btw..anybody else read the recent road and track magazine where the bad @ss SLR hits 60 in 3.5 seconds...and nails 7.5 second runs to 100mph? (with consistancy no less of a computer controlling the shifts and launch)

That is one fast SOB! Got to give credit where credit is due...

Nice supercar even though it costs a bundle...

They did a hell of a job and it still delivers amazing luxury...

one of my personal favorites for sure.

Still priced a bit too high for me....

Hell it costs about half of what my house costs! :lol:

Too rich for my blood unless I win the lottery. ;)
 

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The SLR is really a quick car on the track, much quicker than people might think. I think people see the Mercedes badge and think "good in a straight line but too fat for the corners" when this isn't the case. I've seen quite a few videos of the SLR and CGT against each other and the SLR is pretty much neck and neck, even in the twisty stuff.

All these reports seem a bit dodgy at the moment ... maybe the Z06 did run 7:40, who knows. I think autocar are usually pretty reliable though.
 

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This report has it wrong. Its the production Z06 that did 7:40. A 600hp Z06 would do 7:30.
And your proof of this is? Instead of saying the report is "wrong" how about actually linking an article or something that supports this?
 

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C6 Z06 is faster than ANY Porsche, Lamborghini or Mosler at Nurburgring!

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It's on par w/ the McLaren F1, this thing can handle!!

Faster than any 911 based Porsche ( 911, Turbo, GT3 )

Anyone has times on the Viper GTS and SRT/10 since this is it's driect competition???


Nordschleife exluding GP track 20.6 kms:
7:01 --- 176.152 km/h -- Manthey Porsche GT3 race car, 493 hp (2004), >>> http://www.manthey-motors.de/nextsh...spdf.asp?id=217
7:10 --- 173.100 km/h -- BMW M3 GTR, 450 PS/1350 kg, Jörg Müller (practice 24hrs race 2003)
7:12 --- 173.600 km/h – Radical SR3 Turbo race car, 320 PS/500 kgs (test drive 07/2003)
7:12.25 173.500 km/h – Schnitzer BMW M3 GTR, Dirk Müller, 24 hrs practice 2002
7:18.01 169.311 km/h -- Donkervoort D8 RS, 370 PS/670 kg, M. Düchting, sport auto 12/2004, http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?...2&tID=13957
7:19 --- 168.929 km/h -- Radical SR3 Turbo (2003), >>> http://www.radicalmotorsport.com/ne...liefe/index.php

7:20* -- 168.545 km/h -- Opel Astra DTM V8 Coupe, 500hp, set-up for 24hrs race (sport auto 2003) *estimated
7:21 --- 168.163 km/h -- Blitz Supra, 650 PS (Autocar magazine 1997)
7:25 --- 168.651 km/h -- Alzen Motorsport Porsche 996, 24hrs race, Uwe Alzen
7:28 --- 166.652 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, Walther Röhrl,(Autobild July 2004)

7:32.44 163.911 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, definitive time Horst Von Saurma (sport auto 01/2004)
7:32.52 163.882 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 EVO, Wolfgang Kaufmann (sport auto 2001) >>> http://www.gemballa.com/news/gtr6002.html
7:36 --- 162.631 km/h -- AC-Schnitzer M3 CLS II E36, 350 hp, Michelin Sport Cup R , Mattias Ekblom
7:36 --- 162.631 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, factory test driver Walther Röhrl (2002)
7:39 --- 161.575 km/h – Koenigsegg CCR, 806 PS/1180 kg, >>> http://www.koenigsegg.com/news/arti...=&type=news

7:40* -- 161.217 km/h – Corvette Z06, 505 PS/ 1419.7 kg (estimated), Jan Magnusen (AutoBild 7/2005) (*mfr.), >>> http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vi...0&tID=44953
7:40* -- 161.217 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, *cold and partially wet track (sport auto 12/2003)
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h -- Porsche GT3 RS, stock but Pirelli P Zero Corsa, Mattias Ekblom (ams)
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h -- Mercedes Benz McLaren SLR, Klaus Ludwig (Autobild 07/2004)
7:41 --- 160.868 km/h – Manthey Porsche GT3 M410, 413hp (AutoBild 07/2004) >>> http://www.manthey-motors.de/nextsh...spdf.asp?id=217
7:42 --- 160.519 km/h -- Mosler MT900S Photon, Joao Barbosa, 2004 (according to dailysportscar.net)
7:42 --- 160.519 km/h -- Radical 1500 SR3, 230 PS/510 kg (2002)
7:43 --- 160.173 km/h -- TechArt Porsche GT Street, 620 PS/1453 kg, (sport auto 08/2002)
7:43 --- 160.173 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 RS, factory test driver Walter Röhrl (MOTOR Magazine)
7:43.5 - 160,000 km/h -- Lamborghini Murcielago (Autocar magazine 2002)
7:44 --- 159.828 km/h -- Pagani Zonda C12 S, 580 PS/1820 kg (sport auto 07/2002)
7:45 --- 159.484 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600, 600hp (2000)
7:45* -- 159.484 km/h -- McLaren F1, *estimated lap time from a video available at >>> www.pistonheads.tv
7:46 --- 159.142 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT2, 462 PS/1450 kg (sport auto 06/2001)
7:46 --- 159.142 km/h -- Jaguar XJ220, John Walton (EVO magzine 07/200), >>> http://www.jwhubbers.nl/ring/docs/evo-0007-7.jpg
7:46 --- 159.142 km/h -- SHK Porsche 993 GT2, 652hp (sport auto 1999)
7:47 --- 158.801 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 RS, 381hp (sport auto 03/2004)
7.49 --- 158.124 km/h -- Porsche GT3, 392hp (AutoBild 2004) http://www.autobild.de/tuning/testb...artikel_seite=4
7:49 --- 158.124 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 Cup, 360 PS/1207 kg (sport auto 02/1999)
7:49.72 157.885 km/h -- Honda RC30, Helmut Daehne 1993 (moto bike)

7:50 --- 157.787 km/h -- BMW E46 M3 CSL (sport auto 08/2003)
7:50 --- 157.787 km/h -- Blitz Supra, 750hp, Herbert Schürg (1997)
7:50 --- 157.787 km/h -- Lamborghini Murcielago, 462 PS/1450 kg (sport auto 06/2002)
7:50 --- 157.787 km/h – Westfield Super 7 with Hayabusa engine, >>> http://nurburgring.free.fr/Vids/Bre...vx504_1_350.avi
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h – BMW M5 (E60), 507 PS/1844 kg, >>> http://www.rhein-main.net/sixcms/de...topic_id=731907
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche 911 Le Mans (sport auto 1995)
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h -- Lamborghini Gallardo E-Gear (sport auto 12/2003)
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren (sport auto 06/2004)
7:54 --- 156.456 km/h – Mercedes CLK DTM AMG, 582bPS/1678kg, (sport auto 03/2005), >>> http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?...2&tID=27415
7:54 --- 156.456 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 (sport auto 06/2003)
7:55 --- 156.126 km/h -- Caterham R500 Superlight, Robert Nearn (EVO magazine 07/2000)
7:56 --- 155.798 km/h -- Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale, 425 PS/1387 kg (sport auto 02/2004)
7:56 --- 155.798 km/h -- Porsche 996 Turbo, 420 PS/1569 kg (sport auto 06/2000)
7:56 --- 155.798 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette C6 (company test driver Dave Hill)
7:57 --- 155.472 km/h -- Lotec Porsche 993 Turbo, 600PS/1558 kg (sport auto 05/1998)
7:59 --- 154.822 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM setting “Performance”, (Walter Röhrl WHEELS 06/ 2004)
7:59 --- 154.822 km/h -- Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R, Dirk Schoymans (Autocar magazine 1997)
 

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C6 Z06 is faster than ANY Porsche, Lamborghini or Mosler at Nurburgring!
The link I posted clearly shows it was the blue devil. All this other talk of the Z06 time being released is total BS. There has been NO time released for the Z06! That AutoBild story is BS. There is NO time for the Z06 in AutoBild! Check the website if you don't believe me. Stop posting false information which helps no one and wait until we have an official time from GM.
 

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Oh please. Since when is the media right?? 'Eyewitnesses said the car sounds supercharged'. Who are these eyewitnesses? Lets see, Chevy is about to have the C6 Z06 hit showroom floors and there has been no official word on its Ring numbers and yet they are bringing a car that is still in proto stages to the ring with the public around? Also, Dave Hill hasn’t even spoke and said 'It exists' he has just hinted that it does but is keeping it ambiguous.

The link you showed shows a C6 Z06, I do not see 'Blue Devil' emblems on it, or anything different. Remember this is the media we are talking about here. They take pics of C6's on a track and say it was a C6 Z06 on the track!! They really don’t have a clue and I would not trust them.

Just my 2 cents.
 

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Don't forget that the LS7 7.0L engine sounds different at 7,000 rpm than a 5.x liter v-12.

If they were going to do some sort of durability testing, it would be at the track at the GM Proving Grounds in Milford, or on a dyno to get some track simulations.

It makes more sense that this was a regular ZO6 at 7:40, considering that the C6 ran a 7:56 with 400 hp.

105 hp seems likely to cover the 16 seconds. 200++ hp would probably change the timing a little more.
 

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Not to mention the pictures look like a stock Z06 with black painted wheels. I would imagine a 600hp version, when and IF it ever exists, would have some different body panels and wheel/tire combo.
 

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No way that was the Blue Devil. The Blue Devil will outrun a CGT on the N-ring. 600+ HP @ 2900 lbs people!!!!!!!! I don't have any confirmed info, but it is VERY unlikely that the 7:40's came from the Blue devil.

There are some pics floating around of a Blue C6 Z at Nurburgring. Not partiualry on the track, but parked around the area...Here is the link to that..and notice that it does NOT have black wheels on it like the Blue Devil did.

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65212&page=1&pp=20

And here is what one lucky guy said that got to drive the C6 Z06 from ther Ferrari forums..

"i believe entirely that the c6 z06 did that. I believe the blue devil will shatter that number when it IS built as already approved by GM.

I had an overwhelmingly incredibly lucky experience and ended up driving the c6 z06 yesterday-- I believe it will go neck and neck with a 430, even if Ferrari's 'exaggerated' numbers are correct. This thing is FAST"

All in all, I definitely do not believe that this time came from the Blue Devil.. ;)
 

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No way that was the Blue Devil. The Blue Devil will outrun a CGT on the N-ring. 600+ HP @ 2900 lbs people!!!!!!!! I don't have any confirmed info, but it is VERY unlikely that the 7:40's came from the Blue devil.
That is a totally ridiculous statement. How can you possibly know that? The CGT is over 600 HP with a weight of 3000 lbs. So the blue devil has very little if anything in way of power to weight. Add to that the fact that the CGT is mid engined and some of the latest and greatest technology a hell of a lot of money can buy and you see why the CGT is so damn fast. I agree that I would expect that blue devil to be less than 12 seconds slower but saying it will outrun it is crazy.

[EDIT] The CCR Koenigsegg has over 800 HP and ran 7:39
 

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Either car will be fantastic.

I'm going to predict the future here....

"Fifth Gear" will hate it.

What are the odds?
Without a doubt! :lol: Should be worth a few laughs at the very least.
 

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The 7 min 40 sec lap that is being reported has been confirmed to have been done by the blue devil. And it is also confirmed the blue devil has a 600bhp supercharged version of the new Z06 engine:

"Dubbed the ‘blue devil’ by GM insiders, and caught here setting an impressive 7min 40sec lap of the Nürburgring in the hands of Corvette’s Le Mans class-winning driver Jan Magnussen, the car will be positioned to take on some of the world’s most highly-respected supercars, according to General Motors’ product guru, Bob Lutz."

http://www.autocar.co.uk/news_article.asp?na_id=216013
So AutoCar UK is now the ultimate source for Corvette info.

What do they know? Nothing that we don't.

People - this is a great PR excercise - set the world buzzing about a "super charged Blue Devil" then at the last minute GM announces that:

"The blue car lapping at 7m40s was not the blue devil, but a "regular" C6 Z06 - the blue devil will be faster".

Marketing 101 ;)

BTW - "my" source said the car did not sound any where near "super charged". It was a high rpm big displacement V8 sound to him ;)

The bottom line is this:

If the C6 Z06 needed a super charger and 600hp to lap at 7m40s then it is an over weight, under powered bad handling hunk of junk that has no business replacing the C5 Z06 or costing the amount it does :)

Thansk ;)
 

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So the blue devil has very little if anything in way of power to weight.
"Should" outrun a CGT is what I should have said and is actually what I meant.

And as far as power/weight...612 hp @ 3042 lbs vs. 600 hp @ 2900 lbs (This is not what I know for sure, rather what the online mags said in terms of wieght for the BD).

3042/612 = 4.9 for CGT
2900/600 = 4.8 for BD

So, if this whole BD thing is true and what the mags are saying is true, then in FACT the BD does have a better power/weight ratio than a CGT, and not to mention the C6 Z already has ~50 more ft-lb of tq over the CGT, never mind the BD!

But back on subject...

"The bottom line is this:

If the C6 Z06 needed a super charger and 600hp to lap at 7m40s then it is an over weight, under powered bad handling hunk of junk that has no business replacing the C5 Z06 or costing the amount it does"

Couldn't agree with you more.
 
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