george said:
Where do you get $15,000.00 from for an LS7? Give me the part number and I'll look it up.
It was a Dave Hill quote. The LS7 is not available yet.
george said:
Your not on the same team as I am.
You are so right. I play on the team that doesn't think that the price of the Z06 is dependent on wishes, but instead is based on cost, margin, and market.
I knew you would respond in such a way. Did I say I wanted the price high? Nope. I said that duplicating the Z would be cost prohibitive relative to the price of a Z.
Look, if you want to play the "Z06 better cost less than 60K because that's what I can afford" game, more power to you. I personally hope that the car is priced fairly for what is offered. Like every other car I have purchased in my life, I will gauge its cost to produce, allow for profit, and compare what I come up with to the price of the car. If the price of the car is far higher than what I come up with, then I move on.
Simply put, the price of an item at retail is based on what it costs to make, the margin needed on the item, and market forces. In this case, as is the case with every car made, the final cost of the car is tallied, the execs hand down the target margin for the car (a process that probably happened first), and the market is looked at (that includes them reading this site). Now, the first two are usually fixed initially. The third one is based on the economy, competition, and desire.
You're right in that GM will guage the desire by looking at this web site among many sources. There is no factor that can be applied to the car's price to make it overcome cost, however, and I don't see how you can start with a loaded Z51, add the stuff on a Z06 at cost, and end up at 60K. Forget about margin, desire, etc. Just add the extras at cost.
You tell me. How much does a loaded Z51 cost?
Now, what is the minimum you would add for the following items:
LS7
20pistons worth of brakes
CF fenders
AL frame
CF floor
beefed up tranny and rear diff
wheel/tire
suspension upgrades
Don't consider anything else. Just tell me what you think those things will add to the price over a loaded Z51.
Now, what the hell does GM's ability to float bonds have to do with Vette production and pricing? The entire vette program is a few million including all the assets. GM has 300BILLION in bond debt. If you had to write the entire program off, it would barely register. As it is, the vette program makes a profit. It's selfsustaining. Wixom is already built. The C6 design is on the road. GM doesn't need to dump serious cash into the program for years. So you tell me what bonds have to do with Vettes right now.
Enlighten me with those two pieces of information George (or anyone else).