After posting on the corvette forum about my paint problem I have been in discussion with Rick at Maxie Price and this is his offer.By the way he said for me to seek the forums advice. My 01 has 526 miles on it, They offered to sell me another 01 for cost and give me 38,000.00 for my car. They offered to take 4000.00 off of a 02 and give me 38,000.00 for my car for a difference of about 8400.00. You can read my earlier post about my problems with the paint and let me know what you guys think I should do. I'll keep my opinon quiet until I see your responses.
Paint Problem=This is what they offer
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Call a lawyer because they are not even using lube. /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_frown.gif
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2002 Z06 Electron Blue - on order with build date
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Carl V. *****Authorized Zaino Distributor*****
Huntingdon Valley, PA.
2002 Z06 Electron Blue - on order with build date
**FOR SALE** 2000 Magnetic Red Convertible **FOR SALE**
** Corvette Club of Delaware Valley **
www.hcvind.com
E-Mail: [email protected]
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That is absolute thievery!!!!
You have less than a 1,000 miles on your car and they want to offer you over $10K off MSRP and a 2001 at cost or a 2002 at $4k off MSRP.....if I was you I would send them the brick message, right throught the old showroom window. (Just joking, of course.)
My .02...... get a lawyer......call the BBB.....print a sign saying Chevy and Maxie are screwing you and put it in the window of your car and park it up the block from the dealer....if possible, in front of the dealer.
I feel for you, and wish you good luck as you try to sort this out.
You have less than a 1,000 miles on your car and they want to offer you over $10K off MSRP and a 2001 at cost or a 2002 at $4k off MSRP.....if I was you I would send them the brick message, right throught the old showroom window. (Just joking, of course.)
My .02...... get a lawyer......call the BBB.....print a sign saying Chevy and Maxie are screwing you and put it in the window of your car and park it up the block from the dealer....if possible, in front of the dealer.
I feel for you, and wish you good luck as you try to sort this out.
Get GM to repaint it. /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_frown.gif
If not, it'll still cost you less to repaint it yourself than to lose all of that money on that shitty deal. /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_frown.gif
I guess we all feel the same about Maxie, at least according to all of the negative feedback.
If not, it'll still cost you less to repaint it yourself than to lose all of that money on that shitty deal. /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_frown.gif
I guess we all feel the same about Maxie, at least according to all of the negative feedback.
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You could sell your car to a private party for close to what you paid for it. The dealer just wants to make a homerun off your car when they resell it. If you want the paint fixed you have to go straight to GM or have it repainted yourself. Otherwise bend over and take it in the ass cus thats what they're trying to do to you!!!! I used to work for chevy as a salesman and i can promise you that they can give you ALOT more than 38K.
RED Z
RED Z
Thanks guys. The dealer wanted me to post this because he thought it was a fantastic deal for me. I'm still not posting my final response but those of you who have followed this know i'm not stupid. Keep the comments coming either positive or negative-- it's all good info.
In some ways, I'm perplexed by this whole thread. The car came from the factory with a small defect and it appears to have become a sufficient cause to want a new car. Will you trade the car in everytime a rock from a gravel truck bounces off the paint and leaves a ding?
The car is made by human beings and transported to you by them as well. Stuff happens. Why not repair the paint and get on with it? Then there's no ripoff, no offer, no counter offer, no claims and counter claims, no name calling and no bitterness.
My first new car in 1957 was hit in the back bumper denting it and scraping it down to the copper plating as I pulled into the church parking lot the day afer I got it. I climbed out of the car and looked at the damage and I was absolutely outraged for a moment until I remembered where I was and why I was there. I said forget it and drove away. That car has probably been in the junk yard for 30 years and the wrecker didn't discount the buying price because of the ding in the bumper.
Today there is talk of lawyers and law suits everywhere over relatively minor issues. Do people become so angry and upset after they buy Z06s or do they bring this anger with them before the purchase? If I thought the car would make me so angry at the world (highway patrol excluded /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif) I'd cancel my order today.
The world just might be a better place if we could all return to the principles of dealing with one another in a civil and respectful way. JMHO. jerboa
The car is made by human beings and transported to you by them as well. Stuff happens. Why not repair the paint and get on with it? Then there's no ripoff, no offer, no counter offer, no claims and counter claims, no name calling and no bitterness.
My first new car in 1957 was hit in the back bumper denting it and scraping it down to the copper plating as I pulled into the church parking lot the day afer I got it. I climbed out of the car and looked at the damage and I was absolutely outraged for a moment until I remembered where I was and why I was there. I said forget it and drove away. That car has probably been in the junk yard for 30 years and the wrecker didn't discount the buying price because of the ding in the bumper.
Today there is talk of lawyers and law suits everywhere over relatively minor issues. Do people become so angry and upset after they buy Z06s or do they bring this anger with them before the purchase? If I thought the car would make me so angry at the world (highway patrol excluded /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif) I'd cancel my order today.
The world just might be a better place if we could all return to the principles of dealing with one another in a civil and respectful way. JMHO. jerboa
Here's the math that I think MP is looking at:
For the '02 -
They're making $2,000 off the '02, and they'll make about $3000 selling your '01, for a profit of about $5000. Now they could make probably $3500 more selling the '02 to anyone but you too so subtract that, add back in holdback of $1500, leaving a net difference of $3000. $8400 - $3000 leaves $5400 that goes into Chevy's coffers.
For the '01 -
They're making $1500 off the new '01 counting holdback, and they'll make about $3000 selling your '01, for a profit of about $4500. Now they could make probably $1500 more selling the new '01 to anyone but you too, subtract that, leaving a net difference of $3000.
Prices of '01's have been dropping pretty hard with dealers trying to get rid of old stock, so getting what you paid for it, even if you sold it yourself is pretty unlikely, given that a buyer could get a new one.
Your post is worded where it sounds as if you think that $8400 is a rip off, and I don't think it is. You're getting a year newer car with only 500 less miles, 20 more hp, etc. I can tell you that there are a lot of people selling '01s to get an '02 and you can bet they aren't getting that deal. Given the choice, I'd go the '02 route and be damn glad I got it.
Frank's dealer was certainly the exception, not the rule. Frank - how much previous business had you done with them, did you know the owner, etc.?
Can you post a pic of this damage? Ask them if they want my Orange Peel special and we can do a twofer special! /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif
For the '02 -
They're making $2,000 off the '02, and they'll make about $3000 selling your '01, for a profit of about $5000. Now they could make probably $3500 more selling the '02 to anyone but you too so subtract that, add back in holdback of $1500, leaving a net difference of $3000. $8400 - $3000 leaves $5400 that goes into Chevy's coffers.
For the '01 -
They're making $1500 off the new '01 counting holdback, and they'll make about $3000 selling your '01, for a profit of about $4500. Now they could make probably $1500 more selling the new '01 to anyone but you too, subtract that, leaving a net difference of $3000.
Prices of '01's have been dropping pretty hard with dealers trying to get rid of old stock, so getting what you paid for it, even if you sold it yourself is pretty unlikely, given that a buyer could get a new one.
Your post is worded where it sounds as if you think that $8400 is a rip off, and I don't think it is. You're getting a year newer car with only 500 less miles, 20 more hp, etc. I can tell you that there are a lot of people selling '01s to get an '02 and you can bet they aren't getting that deal. Given the choice, I'd go the '02 route and be damn glad I got it.
Frank's dealer was certainly the exception, not the rule. Frank - how much previous business had you done with them, did you know the owner, etc.?
Can you post a pic of this damage? Ask them if they want my Orange Peel special and we can do a twofer special! /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif
Three alternatives.
1. Suck it up and let them paint the roof and then get on living with a great car.
2. See if they will let you take the offer on the 02 and sell your car outright (I doubt the will do this - but asking can't hurt).
3. Send it to carvaggio (only a little more than you would "lose" on the trade for an 02. Then you can take the new highly portable top and display it wherever your heart wants.
Not being mean, just offering the three alternatives that seem to work.
chris
1. Suck it up and let them paint the roof and then get on living with a great car.
2. See if they will let you take the offer on the 02 and sell your car outright (I doubt the will do this - but asking can't hurt).
3. Send it to carvaggio (only a little more than you would "lose" on the trade for an 02. Then you can take the new highly portable top and display it wherever your heart wants.
Not being mean, just offering the three alternatives that seem to work.
chris
By the way, I have been following your story for a while and would really like to see a picture of this spot to see how bad it is. I'm sure that others as well would like to see so that we can file it in the memory banks in case something like this comes up again.
chris
chris
I agree with Zoomin. Some of you guys just don't understand the car business, or are just over reacting. Think it through just a minute.
New 2001 Z06 $49,000
Less discount -5,000
Less used car discount -3,000
Less dealer cost -38,000
= profit on used car $3,000
Which is a little low for a high dollar used car.
I believe you had a pin head paint defect on the roof. Guess what, GM isn't going to give you a new car because of a pin head paint defect. It is easily repairable. You are overreacting, big time, as are many other members on this forum.
I don't consider it rational to spend $8,400 to eliminate such a miniscule defect. I think you need to step back and say, Am I over reacting. Get the top repainted.
Now if you just want the minimal improvement made in the 2002, remember you are trading an expensive used car for an expensive new car. On that basis $8,400 doesn't seem like too much money. If you are going to trade one year old cars in each year, you are going to pay big money for transportation. /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_frown.gif
New 2001 Z06 $49,000
Less discount -5,000
Less used car discount -3,000
Less dealer cost -38,000
= profit on used car $3,000
Which is a little low for a high dollar used car.
I believe you had a pin head paint defect on the roof. Guess what, GM isn't going to give you a new car because of a pin head paint defect. It is easily repairable. You are overreacting, big time, as are many other members on this forum.
I don't consider it rational to spend $8,400 to eliminate such a miniscule defect. I think you need to step back and say, Am I over reacting. Get the top repainted.
Now if you just want the minimal improvement made in the 2002, remember you are trading an expensive used car for an expensive new car. On that basis $8,400 doesn't seem like too much money. If you are going to trade one year old cars in each year, you are going to pay big money for transportation. /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_frown.gif
I know you're in a bad situation, but I wouldn't count on a repaint. Especially at any Chevy dealer. It will never be the same again if you know anything about a good paint job. Those guys at the dealer don't get pay enough to put so much details into your car. To them, they will treat your lovely Vette and a beat up cavalier the same. It takes many, many patience hours to get a new paint 90%+ orange peel free.
I have some orange peel on my QuickSilver too, but a few coats of Zaino took care of it. Plus, because it's a lighter color.
I don't know what to recommend to you. But, if you can get the dealer to buy your car for $40,500 and 4K off the 02, I think it's a fair deal. But 38K for your almost brand new car! that's a little low.
Good luck
I have some orange peel on my QuickSilver too, but a few coats of Zaino took care of it. Plus, because it's a lighter color.
I don't know what to recommend to you. But, if you can get the dealer to buy your car for $40,500 and 4K off the 02, I think it's a fair deal. But 38K for your almost brand new car! that's a little low.
Good luck
I know I posted this at MP post but I'm finishing up this thread.
paid-48000 plus taxes on 01 Z06
they offer 38000 on trade value plus another 3500 to get me in another 01 that they say is only worth 38000 now.
so guys that's 13500 out of my pocket to trade with them to replace a car I asked to be replaced 5 months ago. While Rick is quick to point out GM offers that I alone negotiated what he doesn't say is GM stance that they delivered to MP a car without any problems, their own PDI people signed off on the car.GM says I purchased the car from MP and thats where I should get results from on a delivery issue. MP buys car from GM then sells to me. Their representive told me the morning I called that he understood I didn't want it painted and that they would take care of me. Legally MP is bound by what their representive says whether it's a salesman or the dealer himself. This trade offer in no way is a fair deal. The 38000 is just like saying the paint problem is all my fault and they are not gonna gamble on resale of my painted roof car. You see I know I need to have the car painted and then if I'm not happy sell it and talk to another dealer about a new one but I wanted these forums to see what happens with certain dealers when you leave the lot. I would also point out another forum member traded today for 5000 between a 01 and 02 and he had alot more miles than 526. So they wanna trade with me for 8500 and I been asking for help forever. You can't in any reasonable way say I could have done anything but to call them the next morning so if you think MP has been fair....I disagree. If you think GM offer to paint and extend my warranty is fair....I agree.Please don't lose sight that I could have legally resolved this a long time ago but I thought it would work itself out. Thanks for all your opinions good or otherwise and I really hope this doesn't happen to any of ya'll.
paid-48000 plus taxes on 01 Z06
they offer 38000 on trade value plus another 3500 to get me in another 01 that they say is only worth 38000 now.
so guys that's 13500 out of my pocket to trade with them to replace a car I asked to be replaced 5 months ago. While Rick is quick to point out GM offers that I alone negotiated what he doesn't say is GM stance that they delivered to MP a car without any problems, their own PDI people signed off on the car.GM says I purchased the car from MP and thats where I should get results from on a delivery issue. MP buys car from GM then sells to me. Their representive told me the morning I called that he understood I didn't want it painted and that they would take care of me. Legally MP is bound by what their representive says whether it's a salesman or the dealer himself. This trade offer in no way is a fair deal. The 38000 is just like saying the paint problem is all my fault and they are not gonna gamble on resale of my painted roof car. You see I know I need to have the car painted and then if I'm not happy sell it and talk to another dealer about a new one but I wanted these forums to see what happens with certain dealers when you leave the lot. I would also point out another forum member traded today for 5000 between a 01 and 02 and he had alot more miles than 526. So they wanna trade with me for 8500 and I been asking for help forever. You can't in any reasonable way say I could have done anything but to call them the next morning so if you think MP has been fair....I disagree. If you think GM offer to paint and extend my warranty is fair....I agree.Please don't lose sight that I could have legally resolved this a long time ago but I thought it would work itself out. Thanks for all your opinions good or otherwise and I really hope this doesn't happen to any of ya'll.
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