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I've been lurking here for years.....Great site!
I've always appreciated the looks and performance of the C5 Z06. I've actually had the opportunity on a couple of occasions to drive a friends 2003 Z. I knew from that point on, that one day, I will have to own one of these cars. It looks as though the opportunity may be approaching very soon. Although it wasn't really for sale, I have received a substantial offer for my 1967 GTO. Although I've always wanted a Z06, this is very tough decision for me. I've owned this car for fifteen years. Unfortunately, I can't afford both. The GTO was fun for a long time, but I've become bored with the car show scene. It seems as though my GTO has become more of a full scale model car. I feel it's time to move on.
I want something that is fast, fun to drive, reliable and looks great. It would also be nice to own a car that I could use to go on longer trips. For me, the C5 Z06 fits the bill perfectly. Hopefully, I won't regret selling the Goat once I become an owner of one of these wonderfull cars.
Any insight from anyone out there that has gone through this situation would be appreciated.
Thanks, and hope to officially join your ranks soon.
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Tough choice
Been there done that. Sold the 67 Shelby GT350 and 68 GT500. They were great cars and I enjoyed the car show scene for many years, but you can only rub, polish, show, and trailer the cars so much before you become bored. Not to mention you get sick of the politics at some of the larger shows (i.e. SAAC judges telling you your car is less than perfect while they slip you a card offering to sell you the parts to make your car "right". Turns out they are Shelby parts dealers too! What a nice way to line the pockets!) At this point it is time to sell and let the next guy enjoy the car and carry on the enthusiasm. This is better than letting the car sit in your garage. Cars are made to be enjoyed. My dad once told me "I am going to put as many miles on the car as I can, why should I let you enjoy putting all the miles on the car when I pass away?" Food for thought
 

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No!

keep the Goat. Do an upgrade, add some Alum heads, or whatever to keep the interest going.

I've got a 74 SD 455 TA. So many times I thought about selling it. Everytime I look back at the vette or any other late model car I considered selling my TA for I thank God I did not.

I actually thought the 87 IROC was hot. I had people that wanted to trade me. Talk about a potential heartattack.

I also almost traded for an 84' Vette.

I have had the car since 1983. After owning and seeing how much better every new car is then the year before, I say thank god I didn't.

Now here is a real wrench, after losing 30,000 on my 02 Z06, I said to myself, self you love to hotrod cars and late models are like flushing money away, so, I bought a 69 camaro to build and have fun. Done right I will lose way less than the late model Vette. Now, when the next SS, Stingray, or whatever comes out, I don't have a car that is just yesterdays news. Don't get me wrong the new Z is just incredible, but if money is a real issue, go the muscle car route since your wallet will still be pumping 5 years from now.

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Here is a question,

Which would you rather own.

The 08 Z07 at 125,000 or 69' Camaro that steilow built called the "Mule". The words "Timeless and Priceless". That car is just bad, especially now that Charlie LLiard put a twin turbo small block in it. Or how about the 572" Balwin camaro with A/C. Just imagine if Steilow offered financing.

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I say it all depends on your priorities and how much you want to drive it.

If you're gonna keep the Z in the garage and treat it like the old Goat, you're better off with the old Goat.

If you're gonna drive it lots, and therefore enjoy it, then the Z is the way to go.

I drive my Z every day during the summer months (Canadian winter + Z = Bad decision).

My mother found out I was buying the car and she immediately said, "Why wouldn't you buy a classic Corvette instead, that way it wouldn't depreciate..." I wanted a car that I could get in and drive, and enjoy, every day, ANY day, rain or shine, and not worry about whether or not it was going to start or what "daily" maintenance it would require.

My '02Z has been the very definition of a reliable daily driver. Other than the OEM battery crapping out the car had been absolutely reliable. I even take it camping!

http://www.z06vette.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100657

I've enjoyed this car thoroughly, and have no regrets about buying it. I hope all Z owners feel the same way.:thumb:
 

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Blue,

what we consider a daily driver is a whole new debate. I call evryday driver a every day beater

Funny story:

I leased a new 06' SC Range Rover. After having a 1500.00 dollar-a-month daily driver, I've realized how stupid it was. I went into the Dodge Dealer to look at trucks. The Manger laughed and said:

"Shit I will lease you a new Viper and a decent truck for everyday driving for that much"

Bottom line, I feel real shitty now. I wish I had just a some decent little something as an everyday beater
 

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I have had more trouble with my 84 Z28 when it was new than either of the vettes, the 84 vette was almost flawless in service, a few small problems but very easy an simple to fix, And the 04 has never had any problems 8000 miles great fuel mileage . I don't tend blame any car for something I do to it, but I do fix my own cars not trusting dealer service
 

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I am really sorry to highjack the post, but I had to re-read rick's post several times and I am still scratching my head,

Rick, I am not sure what is the problem with your Z06

A window stopped working. OK. Simple warranty fix. The only problem in 2 years - that is not bad all. I know acura owners who take their cars for several warranty repairs a year with problems of a similar scale. Hell, I've seen a 2 month old ferrari getting towed away with a non-starting engine :bang: If you are afraid to go to a dealer for a fix, your problem is with a dealer, not the car. Look around, there are dealerships with competent service people.

There are recalls on C5s. OK. sure. There are also recalls on Toyotas and BMWs. So what.

I am not sure what the "refinement of the engine" means.

MPG-wise C5 is ahead of C4.

Z06 "sits in one spot" compared to Zr1? 405HP and 3200lbs vs 385HP abd 3400+lbs? Does not add up.

10MPG :bs: you either drive 40mph in 1st gear or they sold you a broken car to begin with.


Unless your car came somehow crippled from the factory, it really sounds like your issue is with your own decision to buy a new car and some dissapointing dealer experiences. I don't think it's fair to blame either one on GM or your car. Just my opinion.

Back on topic:
I drive the Z daily, rain or shine. It is truly "a beater" as far as function goes. I also drive it on the track. And on the few thousand mile roadtrips. It does everything (well, I would not drive it in the snow). It is comfortable to drive on the long trips and gets almost 30mpg on highway.
I have been to the dealership 3 times - swapped headlight actuator, fuel filler hose and windshield fluid sensor. For 3.5 year old car that is being driven and not just waxed once in a while, this is pretty good.
Oh yeah, I got it used at a very reasonable price, so no buyer's remorse here :roll:
 

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RandyN said:
No!


I've got a 74 SD 455 TA. So many times I thought about selling it. Everytime I look back at the vette or any other late model car I considered selling my TA for I thank God I did not.



Randy
I once had a buddy with a 74 white SD and it ran real good, the acceleration at that time was ohshit fast!!! I must be gitting old, 0 to 60 in 4sec doesn't feel fast anymore like that old SD
 

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I am really sorry to highjack the post, but I had to re-read rick's post several times and I am still scratching my head,

Rick, I am not sure what is the problem with your Z06

A window stopped working. OK. Simple warranty fix. The only problem in 2 years - that is not bad all. I know acura owners who take their cars for several warranty repairs a year with problems of a similar scale. Hell, I've seen a 2 month old ferrari getting towed away with a non-starting engine :bang: If you are afraid to go to a dealer for a fix, your problem is with a dealer, not the car. Look around, there are dealerships with competent service people.

There are recalls on C5s. OK. sure. There are also recalls on Toyotas and BMWs. So what.

I am not sure what the "refinement of the engine" means.

MPG-wise C5 is ahead of C4.

Z06 "sits in one spot" compared to Zr1? 405HP and 3200lbs vs 385HP abd 3400+lbs? Does not add up.

10MPG :bs: you either drive 40mph in 1st gear or they sold you a broken car to begin with.


Unless your car came somehow crippled from the factory, it really sounds like your issue is with your own decision to buy a new car and some dissapointing dealer experiences. I don't think it's fair to blame either one on GM or your car. Just my opinion.

Back on topic:
I drive the Z daily, rain or shine. It is truly "a beater" as far as function goes. I also drive it on the track. And on the few thousand mile roadtrips. It does everything (well, I would not drive it in the snow). It is comfortable to drive on the long trips and gets almost 30mpg on highway.
I have been to the dealership 3 times - swapped headlight actuator, fuel filler hose and windshield fluid sensor. For 3.5 year old car that is being driven and not just waxed once in a while, this is pretty good.
Oh yeah, I got it used at a very reasonable price, so no buyer's remorse here :roll:
 

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I hope I did not offend anybody by comparing or saying that an old muscle car is better than a late model. Fact is the new cars are far better far as reliability, technology, gas milage and so on.

It is just that as cars rapidly improve, older models tend to rapidly lose value. It is a loosing battle to keep these cars and want to one day get out of them for something else. For whatever reason the older muscle cars have seemed to be a much smarter purchase regardless of your taste of car crafting. Whether it be hot rodding, restoration, customizing or whatever. These older cars just seem to hang if not increase in value. If you one day want to sell a Camaro and try a Dodge you don't get killed. I think that for this reason the trend of modernizing old cars is so popular, hell, you can even buy a brand new 69' Camaro if you want.

In closing we all have our own idea what makes us happy and that is usually not the most financially smart. I was just giving my opinion on how to possibly satisfy your car needs and be a little better off down the road for what your project car is worth financially.

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Blue Angel said:
I say it all depends on your priorities and how much you want to drive it.

If you're gonna keep the Z in the garage and treat it like the old Goat, you're better off with the old Goat.

If you're gonna drive it lots, and therefore enjoy it, then the Z is the way to go.
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You can never look at cars for investment reasons. Yes, some of the muscle cars have gone crazy in escalation values.

But, IMHO right now, C5 Z06's are the best bang for the buck out there.

Don't worry about the minor recall probs or glitches. All cars have them, to me, an 04 Z was the pinnacle of the run.

Good Luck on your decision on parting with the Goat.

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keep the Pontiac! 67 GTOs are beautiful! you'll miss it if you get rid of it. i have a 65 Tempest and as much as i _love_ this z06, the old car is alot more special.
 

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Keep the goat and buy a cheap well maintained 01-02 Z06.

I see them in the mid-high Twenties in the Dallas-Fort Worth area periodically.

If that price is too high, by a 99 FRC. I saw one in the paper earlier this summer for $18,500.

Good luck either way.

Paul

02-Z06 70,500 miles and driving.
 

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Blue Angel said:
I say it all depends on your priorities and how much you want to drive it.

If you're gonna keep the Z in the garage and treat it like the old Goat, you're better off with the old Goat.

If you're gonna drive it lots, and therefore enjoy it, then the Z is the way to go.

I drive my Z every day during the summer months (Canadian winter + Z = Bad decision).

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My '02Z has been the very definition of a reliable daily driver. Other than the OEM battery crapping out the car had been absolutely reliable. I even take it camping!

http://www.z06vette.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100657

I've enjoyed this car thoroughly, and have no regrets about buying it. I hope all Z owners feel the same way.:thumb:
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Very tough call.... I went thru the internal battle of selling my 63 Impala SS for several years. I owned it since I was 14 (15 years total ownership) and saw it go from backyard heap to an excellent driver over a 6 year restoration. The opportunity to buy a tuned low mileage (6,400 miles) 11.6 sec 86 Grand National was too tempting and that 63 SS went up on eBay two days later. I got tired of seeing the 63 SS sit...and sit...and then when I wanted to drive it something would be bad (alternator, battery, belt in the tire shifted...etc). The car went 2,000 miles in the 8 years it was on the road. The GN has A/C, T-tops, is faster than my Z...absolutely a nice upgrade....but still a classic/collectible. And she starts every time! Not a car to rack up mileage and drive every day though.

I had a 97 TA WS6 since new (I was 20)...loved the car...but when the Z hit the local dealership seven years later, was in my price range and had only 500 miles on it....the TA got traded in without a second thought. I wanted a Z for 3 years and when the opportunity presented itself I pounced.

My father had a 63 SWC Stingray, 55/56/57 Chevys, 32 Fords, a 66 GTO, yada yada....wishes he had every one of them still. But things come up in life and you part ways. Luckilly, he kept his 69 Z/28 (10,900 miles) which I bought several years ago from him with the agreement it would never leave the family unless I was really down on luck and needed some $$.

Beaters...need one...can't go into any cities (Philly or Trenton) w/ the Z or drive her in the snow. They come and go for a few hundred to a thousand bucks and you do as little maintenance as possible to them and ride them 'till the die.

If you have a son/daughter you may pass the GTO to then keep it. It is one of the true collector cars that will retain its value thru the years. If it has been in your family since new..all the more reason to keep it. If you need to free up some $$ for the Z, try a home equity loan if you can swing it....tax deductible interest. I guess it really comes down to how are you freeing up cash and how tired are you of the GTO. Nothing beats a newer car in reliability, mileage and comfort. My dad said my Z is faster and handles better than his 63 327/360HP Stingray did back in the day...the drawback is that Stingray is now worth $50-90K while my '02 is worth low $30s....long time before the new cars become collectibles.

Go with your heart and don't ever look back.

Best of Luck,
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Well,

Yes, cars should not be an investment, but people should still do what makes financial sense. If you can achieve the same motoring enjoyment and not lose your ass then I think it would be a no brainer. To look at things and not consider some type of cost comparison is just foolish. I always try to get the most from my buck, yes we know that regardless some things we enjoy cost money with no return, but why not get the most. If you can't find enjoyment in something that is more financially fitting, then don't do it.

My point was that I have found that my passion for new cars has always died when the next model comes out. losing lots of money on a car that you no longer have a passion for is heartbreaking. It just seems that after the lust of the newest thing on the block goes away I always seem to go back to the old muscle car.

The recent trends of updating older cars seems to accomplish the most goals.

1. Good financial sense? you bet
2. Modern day performance? sometimes better
3. automobile enjoyment? ofcoarse, its your creation and evolution of what a car should be.

Randy
 
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