[jessejames]

I have asked for a buy back or a trade assistance. CMD wants to repair it by installing oil rings WHEN they are available. I would say NO even if they could repair it now because that kind of history will kill it's resale.

Chevrolet cannot repair it and will not take it back. I say that is 'unfair and decptive business practice' on it's face.

What do you think and what would you do?

 

[got Z06?]

Have you gone higher than the dealer. Ask to speak or set up a meeting with the gm rep. for your area - they should understand that you don't want a new motor broken apart. You aren't going to get nothing from the dealer but a bunch of BS

 

[BOBSZ06]

Others have had the rings changed and this appears to have resolved the oil burning problem. Why not go that route and solve the problem?

 

[hcvone]

JJ, get a gun, a case of Spaten, and a bottle of Jack, you probably have 2 of the 3 /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif Your oil burning my slow down but the bottom line is the ring pressure is too low, but I would not want Mr. Goodwrench putting rings in my 50k car. If they will not buy it back see if you can get one of the aftermarket tuners to do the work and have GM pay, it's not that the GM service techs can not do it, I would just want someone that builds engines on a regular basis doing the work.

 

[Mervz]

Jesse!

Its time to call the Chevrolet Customer service number if you haven't already.
1-800-222-1020

I had a problem with my truck, and they called the dealership and ripped them a new one. That was the first time i had gotten it back washed and on time. Heck, they even called me to tell me they were done! LOL
its worth a try.

 

[jessejames]

I called the customer Service on Monday after taking delivery on Friday...one weekend 400 miles and out of oil. The car was a POS from the outset. I want what I paid for ...geez is that too much to ask for? It did not break. It was delivered BROKEN!
If CMD does not rectify this I will make it my life's work to get even. I am not retired 'cause I'd had nothing to do. But, if they push me to it I'll retire to driving that POS with a sign on to every dealer in these here United States as a well deserved vacation while I see the country. /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif
I'll even visit that recluse/womanizer Carl Voellm. Carl why didn't I listen to YOU! What a maroon I am to think CMD would stand behind it's product.

 

[fcalmes]

JJ,

How many miles total do you have on your Z?? Have you given the dealer a chance to rectify the problem?? Have you asked the dealer to do an oil consumption test?? You need documentation!! Attacking GM without giving them a chance will not help your cause, if that is the situation. /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_frown.gif I hope all works out to your satisfaction.

 

[hcvone]

How many quarts to get to my house? JJ, we could start a pool to guess that fact and split the winnings to buy your car oil. /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_frown.gif As I said I would not want my dealer putting rings in my car. /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_eek.gif

 

[jessejames]

On 2001-05-11 17:03, fcalmes spewed forth this drivel:
JJ,

How many miles total do you have on your Z?? Have you given the dealer a chance to rectify the problem?? Have you asked the dealer to do an oil consumption test?? You need documentation!! Attacking GM without giving them a chance will not help your cause, if that is the situation. /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_frown.gif I hope all works out to your satisfaction.

Frank
The dealer has satisfied itself that the rings are the culprit and also have acknowledged that there are no rings available to repair. Even if they were I do not want a repaired brand new vehicle.
CMD has basically told me through various people to F*ck Myself.
I am so Pi$$ed! /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_mad.gif
I refuse to lie down and go away!

 

[jessejames]

On 2001-05-11 20:37, hcvone spewed forth this drivel:
How many quarts to get to my house? JJ, we could start a pool to guess that fact and split the winnings to buy your car oil. /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_frown.gif As I said I would not want my dealer putting rings in my car. /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_eek.gif

It's what 350 miles? Just three quarts at 'extra' legal speeds. Why didn't I listen to you? I figured CMD would do the right 'thing' if I ended up with a 'burner'.
Apparently the 'right' thing is to admit the problem and tell me to go F*ck Myself...essentially, they are doing nothing becasue they cannot do anything...excessive oil burning is an unresolved problem. So pass it on to the consumer./phpBB/images/smiles/icon_mad.gif

 

[hcvone]

I would have figured they would do something, but it does not surprise me, keep fighting them JJ. /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif

 

[2k Cobra]

jj:

On the ring issue, on one of the Z06 Forums there were posts relating to ring replacement successfully done. Also buy-back of car. If CMD did it for these guys, they should do it for you. The guys that got rings had a new design.

Good luck, keep us posted,

2k

 

[PowerShifter]

Jim, There is a post on alt.auto.corvette from a consumer group that say's @380 ZO6 have been bought back for oil consumption check it out. Ric

 

[jessejames]

Ric
I cannot find it. Do you have the post date?Thank you.
Jim

 

[PowerShifter]

It's aways down the page but I just scrold down looking for ZO6 in the header. I will try to find it again but first I have to find alt.auto I need some lessons on the intranet for shure. Ric

 

[PowerShifter]

The header is:
Buying a ZO6 now is asking for trouble.
Date 2001-05-08 06:10:43pst
I am learning /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif Ric

 

[jessejames]

Thank you Ric. I wonder why CMD is balking at a known problem...in the lawyers hands now. MGL 93a...triple damages ought to buy me 2 or 3 new 02's!!!

I have the time and the means for a good fight.

I hate getting screwed by the big guys. They should have never released a car with a known problem..and when conforted with it they should have quickly and quietly done a buy back. I intend to be really loud with friends in the media. Fuck with the bull and ya get the horns. Yeeeehaaa I love a good fight with right on my side.

 

[SMFCPACFP]

For them it isn't a fight - it is just another day on the job. They have had their share of irate customers over the years, and know exactly how to deal with them. Trust me the guys who take care of this won't lose one moment's sleep.

Jessejames, you are taking this way too seriously and personally. GM would have loved for you to have a good experience. Instead of taking the path of least resistance to resolve the issue, you have chosen the path of greatest resistance. Will the anxiety you suffer, match any victory?

Apart from everything I said, I really do feel your pain. It is a lot of money to spend to have a bad experience, but I don't let those kind of things bother me too much any more. Life is way too short.

This dude bashed into my 6 week old Z06. Some people were wondered if I really chewed his a$$ out. He felt rotten, fu**ked his new Expedition up, got a ticket, spoiled his night, and more importantly DIDN'T mean to do it. I told him at least no one got hurt.

 

[Hib Halverson]

On 2001-05-10 15:41, jessejames said:

I have asked for a buy back or a trade assistance. CMD wants to repair it by installing oil rings <B>WHEN they are available. I would say NO even if they could repair it now because that kind of history will kill it's resale.

Chevrolet cannot repair it and will not take it back. I say that is 'unfair and decptive business practice' on it's face.

What do you think and what would you do?
</B>

I'd let them install new rings *if* they are the rings that are the fix GM is soon to release.

*Some* of the oil consumption problems experienced by LS1/6 engines are caused by ring-flutter during high-rpm/light-load operation (such as cruising around town in low gears at 4000 or more rpm). This is an abnormal driving cycle and in many cases the oil consumption problem goes away if driving habits are modified somewhat. This doesn't mean you can't run your C5 hard. Under high-rpm/high-load operation, ie: wide-open throttle hard driving, oil consumption will be somewhat higher than normal driving but *not* near as high as it can be under high-rpm/light-load conditions.

A fix is currently available for this high-rpm/light-load, ring-flutter-driven, oil use problem, but not through the ordinary service channels. Right now, it's avaiable on a case-by-case basis though Chevrolet's technical assistance network.

A service-level fix is under development and I suspect release is to be soon. A production fix is, also, under development, either for start-of-production MY02 or shortly afterwards.

The fix is higher tension rings and a different oil scraper profile.

More details of this fix will be posted on the C5 Registry web site sometime in the middle of next week.